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post #161 of 646 (permalink) Old 05-04-17, 07:16 PM
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So the Great Rift is also known as the Crimson Path. Abbadon's very plan to extend the Eye of Terror with a spear of unreality all the way to Terra. But something must have gone amiss as the aim was way off the mark. Perhaps the dark gods intervened and thought merely cleaving the Imperium in twain would be more lulzworthy and emotiongiving than going directly for Abby's endgame at Terra. Could be seen as a bit of a snub to him too, because he refuses to bend knees to them.
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Battle-forged armies will be familiar to Warhammer 40,000 players today – it basically means that all the models in your army are part of a Detachment or Formation.

That is still largely true in the new Warhammer 40,000, but with a few changes.

The biggest of which is… wait for it…<puff of smoke>

Formations are gone.

That’s right, no more Formations. But don’t panic!

If your army is built using Formations right now, you’re going to be fine. In their place are a dozen new game-wide Detachments that are available to all factions. These are flexible enough that all of your current forces can be fit into them to form a Battle-forged army. The advantage of these is that all factions now have an even playing field of list building mechanics, rather than some having loads and some having to stick with the trusty Combined Arms option for every game.

These detachments are made up of a combination of 9 unit types, which will look very familiar to anyone who has played Warhammer 40,000 in the past two decades. Some you’ll recognise from Space Marines company markings and the classic Combined Arms detachment of today, plus Lords of War, Fortifications and the new one – Flyers, now with their own slot.



These Detachments come with a few benefits and restrictions. The most common restriction is that all units in a single Detachment must share a faction keyword (Tyranid, Blood Angels or Imperium for example). The most common bonus is that, depending on how optimised your army is for the logistics of war, you’ll get Command Points to spend. We’ll cover exactly what these can do for you soon, but trust us when we say they are incredibly useful if used wisely, and you generally get more of them if your army is a well rounded and balanced force.

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These are just a taste of the options available.

Battle-forged armies can be used with or without points, and we fully expect gamers playing matched or narrative play games to use these in most situations as they tend to create effective armies on the tabletop that also fit the background and lore of the setting. Matched play actually has a few extra rules too, designed for competitive events, which organisers can choose to use when setting the rules for Battle-forged armies – limits on the number of separate Detachments is one example.

We’ll be back again tomorrow with more news from the new Warhammer 40,000.
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Moving fliers out of FA/HS will help some with the bloat of those for many factions

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Moving fliers out of FA/HS will help some with the bloat of those for many factions
All factions had access to Flyer Formations and the ability to take Air Superiority Detachments/Flyer squadrons, no? I can't really think of an army that suffered 'bloat' from having Flyers as a HS/FA selection.

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All factions had access to Flyer Formations and the ability to take Air Superiority Detachments/Flyer squadrons, no? I can't really think of an army that suffered 'bloat' from having Flyers as a HS/FA selection.
some factions just had easier acces to flyers in a battleforged army then others... like the guard.
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The local group never bothered with the formations and what not. I was under the impression they required multiple flyers

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The local group never bothered with the formations and what not. I was under the impression they required multiple flyers

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they do, guard formation for fliers requires at least 3 but if you want a competetive army with formations you need at least 2 different non flyer guard formations wich will probably end up near the 700 to 900 points each. so for the average game adding flyers will be a tight fit.
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Yah we mainly play 1850 PTS here and only a few even bother with flyers. Might change with 8th though

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I am really failing to see how Codices with Flyers as FA/HS slots count as 'bloat' when you're only looking to add one to a list, but hey. What can you do.

Hopefully the new edition helps your list building process and gets the models you like on the table effectively

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@ntaw , the problem is that competition for FA/HS slots is very heavy in some armies. Take my Sisters of Battle, Seraphim and Dominions both are some of my most effective units, so that's the 3 FA slots pretty much always spoken for and the Sisters don't exactly have a lot of Formations to fall back on outside the CAD to free some.

For such situations, trying to fit a Flier in the same slot gets painful quick even if you've got the points for it.

Anyway... I'm GLAD to see the back of Formations. All of them. Good riddance.

Quite frankly, handing out free benefits without an associated points cost - and a great many of the Formations were indeed quite a bit better for the units involved than the standard CAD - is a horrible idea for game balance.

I can only hope new army books won't have army-specific detachments in them.

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