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I really hope it raises all AV and not just one facing. WC2, maybe WC1 if it's only one side?
One can hope its like the crafty Storm power for the Eldar, the more warp charges put in the greater the effect, so WC1 for Front, WC2 for front and side, etc. But that just complicates everything!

I'm enjoying the freedom of formations and being rewarded for taking some interesting lists. But it is so damn easy for people who just care about winning to abuse them to create unholy armies of doom.

But that's not what this thread is for so I'll shut up and look at the shiny new marines :D
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^ apparently it's a WC2 24" blessing that raises all side's AV by one or grants +1T in non vehicle units.

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*reinstates the Librarius Conclave instead of the Psykana Division*
*salivates*

Tigurius, you glorious blue bastard, come back to me and show my enemies what it means to be an AV15/14/11 tank squadron!

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24" bubble of -2 Invuln?

Hello, game-changer.



Crap. +1 Toughness/AV is hilarious on Pask and his buddies or on an Imperial Knight, basically everything else can suck it.



Mostly garbage but Magnetokinesis and the ol' switcheroo are both awesome. Centurions are now 24" move, and the train has no brakes. Bringing a Librarius just for this and Null Zone.

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Geokinesis, with some hilarious opportunities for cheesery on the 6th power.


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So, is there any reason one would not be able to place their own Vanguard Veteran Squad on a piece of terrain and use it as a 24" moving assault vehicle? T0, deploy on some woods, T1, psychic yourself 24" up the table and assault. Sounds fun as hell... Or put ignores cover on some Sternguard for when you can't choose between ignores cover and 2+ poison/AP 3 (gives you both). I'm gonna enjoy Geokinesis... I'd say it seems more fun than cheesy but eh... it depends I guess.

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So, is there any reason one would not be able to place their own Vanguard Veteran Squad on a piece of terrain and use it as a 24" moving assault vehicle?
It has potential, but i'd put it in the "extremely situational" category. It's probably of limited use in my local gaming group, purely due to the nature of the scenery we use. (There's usually lots of little pieces scattered about, so you'd have very limited options to place any piece of scenery big enough to carry a squad.) That, and the fact it's a warp charge 3 power, which I generally have trouble casting at the best of times. HI PERILS.

The fact that it's not 100% percent reliable hopefully makes it, as you said, fun rather than cheesy. We'll see if my opponents see it that way. ^^

I'll probably be playing around with Fulmination first. Really like the look of that whole discipline.
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Librarius Conclave attached to whatever deathstar unit you'd like atop/within whatever piece of scenery you wish to fling across the table for a T1 decapitation. The only unreliable thing here is being able to place the terrain in a good spot, but the Conclave makes it more reliable than a Drop Pod otherwise.

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Having played with Technomancy against a fully mechanised Iron Warriors list, I can confirm that it's garbage. Best thing I got out of it all game was my phone autocorrecting Wrath of Mars to Wrath of Arse, which was both hilarious and accurate.

From closer analysis of the others, they're all very hit-and-miss, fairly shitty disciplines - a big part of which is crap Primaris Powers. With Divination or Malefic or Telepathy you can roll on it with a Level 1 or Level 2 Psyker and if you fudge the roll, you can still sit there, donate warp charge and throw out Psychic Shrieks/Presciences/Summonings. The Space Marine disciplines? If you're on Librarius you're irrelevant without Null Zone or Veil of Time, for Technomancy you need Warpmetal Armour and if you're allied in to a faction that actually has good tanks then the repair and POTMS ones are decent enough (although hardly impressive); Fulmination has better-Levitation and the ol' Switcheroo (which is totally worth it just to get out of combat with a relevant unit, it's basically auto-Hit and Run) with the other powers all being universally garbage (most Psykers don't really have enough the statline to make Electric Fists truly scary, bar lucking out with a Librarius Conclave to stack it with Warp Speed at which point you can muscle wizard your way through a whole squad of Orks or Gaunts and laugh inanely). Geomancy is probably the best; Landquake's reasonable as stopping Run and Flat Out is actually something Eldar will really hate you for, and is a useful utility power in a lot of situations (fuck you, Orks, you don't get your racial bonus!), Phase Form is Perfect Timing that can be cast on vehicles or other squads that got isolated and need the bonus, and therefore very powerful; Worldscape I'm not sold on as you need to fit into a terrain piece, have an appropriate terrain piece to hand, have enough dice to cast it and all the other powers you need (WC3 isn't hard to do for a Librarius, but taking 4 dice out of your pool makes it a big opportunity cost against casting Invisibility, Prescience, Veil of Time, Endurance, and other powers you probably want to have active), not to mention you kinda need to build around it.

If you want to use the Space Marine disciplines, bring Tigurius or Loth, because otherwise you're going to end up with a useless dead weight Librarian most games who'll sit on his ass with a Haywire beam and a 'you might not get to fire your pintle Heavy Stubber' malediction.

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