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post #11 of 36 (permalink) Old 06-14-15, 10:16 AM
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just curious, is there anything on the datasheet that specifically mentions the units come from SM codex only or can BA and DA use it RAW. Obviously the sheets from the codex cant be used but if this only mentions units used and not specificaly which

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codex they come from, I cant honestly see an opponent stopping you and keeping a straight face. If not I suppose theres counts as but an opponent would be better off, if you use ba you dont get chapter tactics or red thirst.

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All Formations have a rule one them that states what Faction or Race they come from. In this case, while I haven't seen the datasheet, I would assume that it's going to say 'All Models must come from Codex: Space Marines' or something like that. So while Blood Angels could ally with Battle Brother relations and paint the models red, they wouldn't count as a viable option.

Look at it the other way; Archangel Formation which is only Blood Angels, but I decide to take it as Imperial Fists for the Bolter Drill and just create an entire army of Sternguard.

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Look at it the other way; Archangel Formation which is only Blood Angels, but I decide to take it as Imperial Fists for the Bolter Drill and just create an entire army of Sternguard.
Which you could arguably still do better out of a CAD instead (depending on points level of course), given that you have to take so many compulsory unit choices with that formation (6 of those 14 Elites choices are taken already and only one of them is Sternguard).

Unfortunately Canada got rid of the penny and now my two cents rounds down to zero, so...take it for what you will.

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I thought Archangel was simply 1 HQ (which had to be a Captain or Chaplain) and something like 0-14 elites. But ONLY infantry or Furioso (max 6 Dreads).

So you could have, say, a captain and 2 sternguard, totally legal in an Archangel.

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Nope. The detachment is, at its minimum:

Libby - TDA
Captain - TDA (can be Karlaen if you're into him)

1-10 Sternguard
1-10 Vanguard
1-10 Assault Terminators
1-10 Terminators
1-6 Furioso
1 Chaplain - TDA

This is an example of a fluff formation that has little to no battlefield relevance to me. You have to use their warlord traits, you get Descent of Angels, and you lose Red Thirst.

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I like it. Its a pretty nice force with rules.
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Nope. The detachment is, at its minimum:

Libby - TDA
Captain - TDA (can be Karlaen if you're into him)

1-10 Sternguard
1-10 Vanguard
1-10 Assault Terminators
1-10 Terminators
1-6 Furioso
1 Chaplain - TDA

This is an example of a fluff formation that has little to no battlefield relevance to me. You have to use their warlord traits, you get Descent of Angels, and you lose Red Thirst.
Are we talking about the same Detachment? This is the one where you can take 2-16 Elites, no more than 6 Furioso, no more than 10 of each Vet Squad. However, none of them are 1+.

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The reason I said money grab is because without that GW stamp, I don't see you being allowed to use it in tournament play...maybe I'm wrong but I would think that in GW sponsored tournaments you have to have the digital or physical codex or datasheet. While I'm sure there are ways to pirate pdfs of the rules, maybe they is a way to make a distinction.

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