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Why unbound, Kiro? With the Baal Predator moving to Heavy Support and Vanguard Vets going to Elites I doubt there's any competition for Fast Attack slots. Plus Tactical squads will be less expensive and with more weaponry options.

Unfortunately Canada got rid of the penny and now my two cents rounds down to zero, so...take it for what you will.

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ObSec Jump Infantry really attracted me to the list. Now, the loss of that is a major spanner in the works. Now, they play like crapper Marines with the option to take a HQ Furioso. Assault sucks in 7th. No point in throwing down a shit ton of money time effort and points into an army that isn't going to do what I want it to.

BA were useful for Razorspam and the ability to take a ton of Predators but that's no longer particularly viable in 7th, especially now that Space Marines can spam Razors and take special or heavy weapons, and that BA have moved their preds to HS, which now share spots with Stormravens, and other Predators, I'm not impressed at all.

Seriously, back to 30K rules. At least there they have only troops scoring, and that Assault Marines are troops and have Furious Charge.

Here's a sample 30K list I'm building towards - https://www.heresy-online.net/forums/...d.php?t=174050 for example. Much more fun than 40K.



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Cos I don't have the points to bring 10 TH/SS termies and 20 assault marines if I'm dragin along 20 tactical marines to boot.
IMO assault marines as troops were our army- D.angels get termies AND bikes as troops if they like.
Smerfs get bikes if they like (more?)
G.knights get termies as troops as standard...
We get nothing, not deathcompany(I can understand those though, maybe with a storage made them troops?) but losing assault marines...
We don't even have any unique flyers.
It seems although individual units may have been buffed, but we've lost the armies soul IMO

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Blood angels were never my main force but I am bummed about a fee things. The movement of DC to elites and the loss of the reclusiarch. I liked running an allied detachment of a reclusiarch, DC, and a DC dread in a raven to my dark angels. Overall not huge and a supplement or dataslate could fix this. Especially with the loss of liturgies of blood and DC, I suppose I can just use an interrogator chaplain from DA. I just feel 2 wounds on a chaplain is too few.

I do hope the codex ends up being fun and strong, similar to space wolves.

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The cynical part of me believes they purposely design codices with these shortcomings so that they can soothe our stinging little booties with dataslate fixes.

I don't play BA, but I can understand why players are frustrated with these changes. Hopefully there are enough positive fixes or options that alleviate this frustration. Doesn't seem like it yet, but maybe in time once things have been fiddled around with and tried out.


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The loss of dc and dc dred from troops saddens me. My all dc army now moot. Hopefully asteroth can make them troops again.

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No FoC changes whatsoever, pending supplement.



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No FoC changes whatsoever, pending supplement.
Now that just ain't fair
Every new codex has been able to tweak their troops with characters right?
Now correct me if im wrong but chaos gets their cult troops, death wing and more
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Now that just ain't fair
Every new codex has been able to tweak their troops with characters right?
Now correct me if im wrong but chaos gets their cult troops, death wing and more
Yet we don't?
Its horrendous! All of our fluff says we can have a full dc army. Hope they update this with a dataslate.

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Now that just ain't fair
Every new codex has been able to tweak their troops with characters right?
Now correct me if im wrong but chaos gets their cult troops, death wing and more
Yet we don't?
Chaos and Dark Angels aren't actually new, being 6th ed codices...

No 7th edition book has Force Organization Chart swaps. Believe me, the fallout in the Grey Knight community over Paladins and Purifiers/Draigo and Crowe was tremendous and we haven't got a supplement for it (and I don't think we will - doesn't bother me as I use Terminators for Troops, but it screwed a bunch of people over).

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