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post #291 of 541 (permalink) Old 07-26-14, 12:41 PM
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In a world where an undead, immortal emperor conquered most of the galaxy using 20 entirely different clones created using magical juju 'stolen' from magical space juju gods, where green fungus monkeys and elven gimps do battle against 8 foot tall super solders with 2 hearts and 3 lungs, and blue tuna-cow men fight giant uber bugs…. you question the ability of a brick to fly?

I think it looks awesome.
I don't question if a brick can fly, hell I can make a brick fly, I question whether or not the flying brick could win in a dog fight.....which it looks like it can't, So many blind spots, it relies solely on guns, and seems to rely on it's pilot being a super human, instead of its design aiding the pilot it hampers him..
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He may have a plethora of scanners, radars and sensors to help him, think more Star Trek, less Battle of Britain, and of course you can't discount the power of the machine spirit


Plus, it's a model........

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He may have a plethora of scanners, radars and sensors to help him, think more Star Trek, less Battle of Britain, and of course you can't discount the power of the machine spirit


Plus, it's a model........
Ok putting that asid he still has a major weapons blind spot, he has a D cannon and missiles.... I don't believe dcannons are rapid fire weapons, they may be great at taking out slow moving ground enemies, but we're talking about a god damn dog fight, unless this star fox, where people fly at leisure speed, I doubt he will have enough time to lock onto an enemy, charge, and fire is gun before someone in a better fighter blows him from the sky. The thing is less a jet fighter and more an AC-130
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Hi there. I don't know if any of this has been said beforehand, but the White Dwarf Weekly has been dropping some not-so-subtle hints that it may well be the Dreadnaught/Bjorn Combi-Kit as expected.

What isn't so expected however is this little snippit from the White Dwarf:

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In the wake of the Horus Heresy, the Imperium lay in ruins, shattered by the carnage wrought by the Traitor Legions. Determined to prevent such a catastrophe from ever occurring again, Roboute Guilliman of the Ultramarines insisted that the strength of the Legions be divided into smaller forces, known as Chapters, so that no one man could ever command the unstoppable power of a whole Legion once again. While some accepted his wisdom readily, others railed against it. For the Space Wolves, there was no real decision to be made, for the Sons of Russ lacked the numbers of their brother Legions and so remained intact, retaining the same structure as they had at their founding - 13 Great Companies, each with their own Lord. In the long years since then, tragedy has befallen the 13th Company, but 12 remain until this day, each an incredible fighting force roughly equal in strength to a Codex Chapter's Battle Company.
Now I'll admit my Space Wolves fluff knowledge is rusty, but aren't they one of the few Marine chapters actually closer to Legion strength right now? Not to mention I don't recall them taking extreme casualties during the Heresy (in part because the only conflict I know of they partook in was the Burning of Prospero), and that the Salamanders and Raven Guard - who had similar if not greater problems, mind - would go on to have Chapters (even if the Salamanders ones are only guessed at).

I have a disturbing feeling if this isn't true or if something has changed, we're going to see some retconning the likes of which not even the Grey Knights have ever seen.

Then again - like I said - my Space Wolves knowledge is rusty, so I could just be misinterpreting the above passage as "suddenly, the Space Wolves adopt the Codex like everyone else seems to be doing!".

If I'm wrong, feel free to correct me or ignore. I'd rather not propagate info that turns out to be incorrect.
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Hi there. I don't know if any of this has been said beforehand, but the White Dwarf Weekly has been dropping some not-so-subtle hints that it may well be the Dreadnaught/Bjorn Combi-Kit as expected.

What isn't so expected however is this little snippit from the White Dwarf:



Now I'll admit my Space Wolves fluff knowledge is rusty, but aren't they one of the few Marine chapters actually closer to Legion strength right now? Not to mention I don't recall them taking extreme casualties during the Heresy (in part because the only conflict I know of they partook in was the Burning of Prospero), and that the Salamanders and Raven Guard - who had similar if not greater problems, mind - would go on to have Chapters (even if the Salamanders ones are only guessed at).

I have a disturbing feeling if this isn't true or if something has changed, we're going to see some retconning the likes of which not even the Grey Knights have ever seen.

Then again - like I said - my Space Wolves knowledge is rusty, so I could just be misinterpreting the above passage as "suddenly, the Space Wolves adopt the Codex like everyone else seems to be doing!".

If I'm wrong, feel free to correct me or ignore. I'd rather not propagate info that turns out to be incorrect.
Actually unless the BT fluff changed, then the Black templars are intact closer to legion strength, as each fleet is about the size of a chapter, though it can range wildly.
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Actually unless the BT fluff changed, then the Black templars are intact closer to legion strength, as each fleet is about the size of a chapter, though it can range wildly.
I know the BT's were one such Chapter. However, I recall hearing from somewhere the Wolves and Grey Knights were also equal to this.
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They suffered massive casualties on Prospero. They lost more fighting the Alpha Legion, and it looks like they are preparing to take the fight to Horus's very own flag ship, which I'm sure would be a brutal encounter.

Each company size varies wildly, and there may actually be more than 12 companies, because if one has gone missing for long enough they raise another one. The missing company could eventually turn up though.

It is wrong on the point of not splitting after the Heresy though. They founded the ill fated Wolf Brothers.

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They suffered massive casualties on Prospero. They lost more fighting the Alpha Legion, and it looks like they are preparing to take the fight to Horus's very own flag ship, which I'm sure would be a brutal encounter.

It is wrong on the point of not splitting after the Heresy though. They founded the ill fated Wolf Brothers.
Not unless they've been retconned out of existance, but yes - that much I remember.

Also - understandable about Prospero, however what's this about taking the fight to Horus's flagship?
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It is wrong on the point of not splitting after the Heresy though. They founded the ill fated Wolf Brothers.
this is GW were talking about, could very well be retconned out at the flip of a coin.
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however what's this about taking the fight to Horus's flagship?
Read Vengeful Spirit.
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