Originally Posted by tu_shan82
making it so that all Space Marines, even those with their own Primarchs, histories, traditions and tactical dogma, aspire to be Ultramarines. I won't name names, I don't think I have to. When I read that I felt like puking, there's no way my Salamanders would ever want to be Ultramareines, and my Dark Angels are probably against the idea even more.
Can people stop parroting this bullcrap?
what the 5th Edition Codex, lol. It says they aspire to the teachings of the Codex Astartes. Which, while a bit oddly worded, is true. The Dark Angels are a Codex Chapter. Always have been. Blood Angels. Codex Chapter. Always have been. That section of CSM:5E is just about Codex Chapaters that aren't Ultramarines successors.
Why do people get all butthurt about it? The reality is that being a Codex Chapter is a good thing
. Graham McNeill's awful novels aside, the Codex is what makes Space Marines so awesome. It's the catch-all book on how to be a Space Marine and fight wars. Again, I know idiots like Graham McNeill took this to mean it had "If A, Then B" instructions on how to fight battles, but that's not how it was ever written before. Guys like Marneus Calgar are supposed to be the greatest tacticians the galaxy has ever seen (Calgar was one of only 2 SCs in 2nd Edition with a Strategy Rating of 6). Doesn't really make sense if you can just read the book and be a better general by knowing what the other guy is going to do, lol.
The funnier part about all the Ward-hate for CSM:5E is that most of the fluff in that book is copy/pasted from earlier editions of Codex: Space Marines (most of it right out of 2nd Edition's Codex: Ultramarines by Rick Priestley. You might know him as one of the guys who created the game). Now, I can't speak on the Ward Hate over the Blood Angels/Necrons Bro Fist, and I agree the Newcron Codex is one of the worst fluff abombinations in the history of 40K. But the Codex: Space Marines stuff is ridicustupid.