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I like how so many pics are released already..... too bad some of them are not legible...

As for being able to take any super heavy in any list.. I think that's bull crap. It totally goes against army back story, allies table and everything else GW has written. The only pattern it follows is GW wanting immediate sales. I don't approve this.

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And the rest of the Faeit212 Q&A:

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Q: Can you tell us anything about the nid stuff? I have to admit I'm very curious about our bio-titans.
A: barbed hierdule, Harridan and hierophant bio-titan are in, they cost less than before i think, titan at least 250 points less.

Q: Is there a section on scratch-building and custom rules like the old book?
A: There a few pages with suggestions and stuff like that.

Q: Anything on the tyranid gargantuan creatures and what there like?
A: Answered above, the bio-cannon is now the same for all of them, 48", S10, ap3, assault 6.

Q: what does the great promenade of exquisite excess do?
A: formation must arrive by deep strike and are allowed to charge that turn. rending on 4+.

Q: What dose the optimised stealth group, counter strike cadre and skysweep missle defence formations do?
A: Counterstrike - if shooting at enemey eithin 12" of objective can re-roll to hit. In the first turn vehicles in formation count as fast.

Stealth: halves the range they need to be close to the enemy when inflitrating and when shooting they have ignores cover.

Skysweep: gunships within 12" of the command vehicle can shoot any number of missiles per turn. All tau units within 60" of the command vehicle have shrouded against flyers/flying monsters/gargantuans etc

Q: What does the Tzeentch flaming formation (daemons) do ?
A: They get to roll on a table with 4 dierrent results, 3-4 for example is inv save improved by 2, last one is a nasty attack.

Q: What does the new green tide do?
A: All models need to be on foot, they form 1 big unit, and can use waaaagh each turn, they also roll an extra D6 for charge range and choose highest

Q: What do the Tyranid Carnifex Crusher Brood and the Endless Swarm formations consist of/grant?
A: carnifexes can combine bio-plasma attack using the hellstorm template.

Endless swarm - makes it hard for the enemy to shoot them so they end up shooting snap shots at them most of the time. A single unit can be returned after each break.

Q: What's the special rules for the death company formation
A: They get +A deneding on turn number when they charge, so charging on turn 4 will give them +4Attacks each.

Q: What's the Chaos Daemon Cohort of Blood like?
A: Instant death on rolls of 6 to wound. All of the formation has +1 S and fleet. you need 8 units of bloodletters 1+ heralds and skulltaker.

Q: Any campaign rules other than Armageddon. Thanks again!
A: Only armageddon in the normal book, there's another campaign in the limited edition version.

Q: Is the Strategic Redeployment asset still around?
A: No thats gone

Q: What is the profile of the Vulcan Mega Bolter (Warhound titan)
A: 60" S6 ap3 Heavy 15

Q: I am really interested in the 'The War Council of Mandragora'-formation.
A: It's a bit complicated, there 6 conditions to be met, you roll 3 dice to see which ones you need to achieve, each one that you do grants you a strategic asset but you have to do them in the order rolled. If you complete all 3 you get D3 victory points so it's a nice formation.

Q: What is the speciality of the Grey Knight formation with 3x Nemesis Dread Knights?
A: You pick one dreadknight to be the special one, while they're within 12" of that dreadknight the others have shred.

Q: Do you know the profile of the Tyranid Harridan?
A: 4/3/10/8/8/3/4/10 3+ save, 2 bio cannons, scything talons
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From the 40k Apoc blog:

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Via Engrimm on Apocalypse40K and Warseer

How to score Strategic Victory points:

6 objectives as before, each player places 1 in his own DZ, 1 in opponents, and one anywhere on the board.

The book introduces "breaks" these dont happen after each turn but at a pre-determined time. They're as the name says breaks to eat drink etc and to clear up/check vicotry points. At each of these breaks you check who's closest to an objective, whoever is closest is in control (units can only control 1 obj if they close to 2). You get 1 strategic victory point for
each objective you control at the 1st break, on the 2nd break you get 2 points, 3rd 3 etc. Then 1 last check for objectives at the end of the game. There's no set amount of breaks, but I imagine it'll be something like 2-3 breaks + end game.

You can also gain bonus points by:
Destryoying a super-heavy vehicle (1 point)
Killing a gargantuan creature

Killing a warmaster (the overall commander)
Stopping a finest hour (killing the warlord while he's doing the finest hour/sons of the primarch)

Highest points wins as normal but you can also "spend" these points for:
Bringing back a single model that has been completely destroyed of not more than 15 hull points.
And to power up some strategic assets.
Each player can only do this once.


What are the scenarios?

There's 6 in the normal part, + 3 more for warzone: Armageddon.

Allies
All armies on the same side are treated as Allies. Armies from the same codex but commanded by different players are considered battlebrothers. Armies that according to the allies matrix ally are "come the apocalypse" count each other as desperate allies. It doesnt say that you HAVE to use the allies matrix in fact it says "alternatively" for when you cant decide which players are put in which team.


FOC and Scoring Units
Biggy: No force organization chart, in fact something which I forgot to mention, ALL units are scoring, even HQ everything.


What is the book's definition of a "break"?
Exactly as it sounds, it's a lunch break etc, in their example there were 2 breaks, so scoring is done 1 startegic victory point per objective 1st break, 2 points for the 2nd break, and 3 points at the end.



Apocalypse Fortifications
The aquila strongpoint can be armed with macro cannon or vortex missile (it isnt remove everything it touches anymore although still powerful). They cost quite a bit, AV15 all sides. Macro cannon can fire in 2 way, 1st is 2 D shots large blast, 2nd apocalyptic megablast at S10/7/5 Ap1/4/6 (1st number for the 5" at the centre, 5-10" 2nd, 10-15" 3rd). this shot also has a sonic boom rule, which affects flying stuff in the patch of the shell, not going to go into more detail as the mods will kick me out soon

Titan Optional Weapons
Can you please just confirm if Titans pay extra points for different weapons or as current they swap them out for free.
For old models like the reaver/phantom titans etc it's still free to choose. Others like the tesseract vault/transcendant c'tan have to pay for their weapons, so maybe newer models will be following this example. The D weapon for the c'tan is hellstorm template, and it isnt the highest points cost ability that he gets, there's 2 that cost more.




Imperial Guard

Lord Castellan's Supreme Command.
Lord Castellan Creed includes him, Kell, a company command squad and an Imperial bastion. When his unit is in the bastion he can issue orders to units anywhere on the table. The master of ordnance can make D3+1 artillery bombardments instead of 1. The formation is a high command formation, so you receive 1 extra strategic asset normally in the break, in Creed's case though you receive 2 assets.

Space Marines

Sons of Grimaldus
They all get feel no pain, all sword brethren gain fearless and hatred(orks). When charging any unit from codex Orks they gain furious charge. This formation is from Warzone :Armageddon so that's why it's themed against the orcs.

Black Templars
Black templars have 2 formations in Warzone armageddon, one's for Land Raider Crusaders and the other for a company style.


Thunderhawk
Thunderhawk costs 215 points less, but to get the turbo laser it's 90 points. AV is 12 12 10 (-2 from the rear) and Hull points is 9 only (would have been 12 normally). Has power of the machine spirit.


What do you get bonus wise for fielding the Space Wolf Formations, ie Great Company and such?

Great Company: stubborn for all.
All models in the formation re-roll their charge moves and re-roll to hit rolls on overwatch.
x1 per game start of assault phase all within 18" of the wolf lord/Ragnar gain furious charge and fleet.

Librarius: 5 Runepristes is the same as 5 Llibarians: They're a psychic choir formation (see the blog post from Loken for more info) and get a choir power. Warp charge 4, 24", S, Ap1, Heavy 1, large blast, Vortex. Vortex doesnt destroy everything like it used to, it's a normal D weapon but the blast stays on the table and scatters 2D6 each turn, on a double it disappears. In the case of this power though when it dispappears the game will start using the Seismic explosion rules as the vortex buries itself into the plant's surface.
Brethren of the Great Wolf, which contains logan, njal, ulrik, arjac, bjorn and 1 wolf guard pack. It's a high command formation, wolf guard needs to have the banner of the great wolf which within 24" all have Furios charge. Formation has fear and all space wolves on the table have stubborn. Then all characters in the formation can all do the finest hour/sons of primarch buff not just one, but all at the same turn so it's a mega strong unit for that turn.
Wolfpack Flanking Force, wolflord on wolf/canis wolfborn, 2+ thunderwolf units, 5+ fenrisian wolve packs. Acute senses, hit and run, outflank, rage and can charge in the turn they arrive from reserves

Chaos

Lords of the Black Crusade,
Lord of the Black Crusade is Abaddon and Kharn, Ahriman, Lucius, Typhus or lords with mark of khorne instead of Kharn etc. High Command Formation. They can all use the finest hour/sons of primarch at the same turn.
The planet killer: once per game you can have Abaddon's flagship start bombarding so from now on you start using the Magma Storm Unnatural Disaster table. You are the master of disaster as long as Abaddon is alive. Basically there's a table you roll on and it affects everybody, but if you're the master of disaster you're the one that begins applying the results. so if you get a result to do D3 blasts and you roll a 3, the master of disaster places the 1st one, then your opponent, then the master, so yoou have that advantage when you roll an odd number.


The Lost and The Damned
Lost and the Damned: 1 Dark Apostle, 6+ chaos cultist units. Gain inflitrate. After each break you can return a single unit of cultists. All cultists in the formation have feel no pain and furious charge.





Legionnaire Warband
Legionnaire Warband: When in close combat with any loyal space marine they re-roll to hit every round of combat. And if they're within 12" of loyal space marines they get fearless. That's the only rule.



Eldar

Eldar Titan Holo-Fields
Before rolling for damage (including the destroyer table, so yes they work vs D weapons) you roll a D6 per hit so see if it hits the titan or the holo-field image. If it moved it hits on 4+, if it didnt hits on 3+. Same thing for he revenant. Phantom is pages 146-147, revenant 148-149 if you want to update the list

Dark Eldar

Dark Eldar formations are incredibly great in my opinion. There's 5 of them. I'll detail two of them:

Ravager Titan Hunters: Armoured spearhead formation. Any ravager within 6" of the command vehicle (including the command vehicle) gets shrouded. The command vehicle has a shadow ray weapon in addition to the normal stuff. You shoot it before you shoot the rest of the dark lances. If it hits then any subsequesnt hits by any ravager in the formation will ignore the effect of Void shield, power fields AND eldar titan holo-fields. Range for the shadow ray is 36".
Dark Olympiad. 1 succubus or lelith, 0+ hekatrix bloodbrides, 2+ wyches units, 1+ hellions, 0+ beastmasters, 1+ reavers. The beastmasters and the beast gain the efffects of combat drugs. With this formation you roll twice on the combat drugs table and apply BOTH. if you have duke sliscus you roll 3 dice and choose 2. Whenever anything from this formation gets a pain token you can give a free extra pain token to anything within 24".
Necrons




The tesseract vault chooses 2 powers (weapons) from 6. if you deploy the transcendent C'tan on it's own (which counts as a gargantuan creature) you choose 1 power from 3, and 2 weapon powers from 6 again. C'tan outside of vault costs more than being inside. So buying the tesseract vault to field it as the Obelisk and tanscendent c'tan is quite a bargain in my opinion as you'ed be going very close to 1k points with just 1 purchase.
Tau

Tigershark isnt in the book, as you said it's just been updated in IA3-2nd so there's no units in the book other than formations for Tau.
The riptide wing contains 3+ riptides. Any riptide that shoots on a unit that another riptide has already shot at gets +1BS. Each Riptide within 6" of another riptide can re-roll Nova reactor tests


Tyranids
Hierophant: is 250 points cheaper. Bio-cannon is assault 6, and he also has a 6+ inv save.

Vanguard infestation: 3+ genestealer broods, 3+ lictors (can be deathleaper). On the turn they arrive from reserve all enemy units within 36" use their lowest LD. All unit are deployed like the lictor's Chameleonic skin, even the genestealers
Living Fortress: 2 Hive Tyrants (can be Swarmlord), 3 tyrant guard, 3 hive guard. Feel no pain for all. Any tyranids within synapse range of a hive tyrant from this formation has the preferred enemy and counter attack rules.
If they're attacked by a shooting attack they can form a Fortress of Chitin. They get shrouded and add +! to there armour saves but the formation moves as if in difficult terrain next turn. Btw this is a High Command formation, so extra asset
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So Blood Angels suddenly have Mephiston turn into a FMC for a turn, Lysander makes his Terminator Titanhammer T5 and becomes T6 himself, Word Bearers can just steal a Green Tide or Emperor's Fist Tank Company for a turn, and Dark Angels... get rerolls to hit, on their basic small arms, that they either had already or don't get to access? Basic Bolters, if you care about them being twin linked, will have Divination, Ravenwing are already Twin Linked, and Terminators get no bonus. RAW, of course, every single PA model gets twin-linked because they're technically all armed with Bolt Pistols but Hail of Fire only specifies 'their weapons become Twin-Linked', not just their bolt weapons, but this still sucks.

Not that there's too much to complain about - Night Lords get Fear, and some shitty leadership rerolls, Alpha Legion get IWND on... their HQ choices, Obliterators and Spawn? And Death Guard get Feel No Pain and Fearless on all of their Plague Marines! As well as of course the Librarius pooping out a Str D AP1 Large Blast every turn with rerolls to hit and wound allocated as per barrage, so I'm fucking pleased about that I can tell you - Marines are FINALLY balanced in the super-heavy stakes without having to buy or sculpt or transport a bigass Thunderhawk with the new monopoly on Vortex.

Overall, I think Finest Hour is pretty cool, even if some of them would only be 'good' on the basic Warlord charts, let alone the epic nature of Finest Hour. The Dark Angel, Night Lord and World Eater ones could probably be put into the Warlord Tables for those who don't mind using homebrew (although I'd probably shorten the range; in the case of Dark Angels, make it a 12" bubble).

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So Blood Angels suddenly have Mephiston turn into a FMC for a turn, Lysander makes his Terminator Titanhammer T5 and becomes T6 himself, Word Bearers can just steal a Green Tide or Emperor's Fist Tank Company for a turn, and Dark Angels... get rerolls to hit, on their basic small arms, that they either had already or don't get to access? Basic Bolters, if you care about them being twin linked, will have Divination, Ravenwing are already Twin Linked, and Terminators get no bonus. RAW, of course, every single PA model gets twin-linked because they're technically all armed with Bolt Pistols but Hail of Fire only specifies 'their weapons become Twin-Linked', not just their bolt weapons, but this still sucks.

Not that there's too much to complain about - Night Lords get Fear, and some shitty leadership rerolls, Alpha Legion get IWND on... their HQ choices, Obliterators and Spawn? And Death Guard get Feel No Pain and Fearless on all of their Plague Marines! As well as of course the Librarius pooping out a Str D AP1 Large Blast every turn with rerolls to hit and wound allocated as per barrage, so I'm fucking pleased about that I can tell you - Marines are FINALLY balanced in the super-heavy stakes without having to buy or sculpt or transport a bigass Thunderhawk with the new monopoly on Vortex.

Overall, I think Finest Hour is pretty cool, even if some of them would only be 'good' on the basic Warlord charts, let alone the epic nature of Finest Hour. The Dark Angel, Night Lord and World Eater ones could probably be put into the Warlord Tables for those who don't mind using homebrew (although I'd probably shorten the range; in the case of Dark Angels, make it a 12" bubble).

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Don't forget that Finest Hour only lasts like a turn.
Which is fine for something like the Dark Angel one, or the Space Wolf one, but it gives some a distinct advantage (and makes some, like the Night Lords even worse, Fear is crap but for only one turn? And the Alpha Legion one - IWND is only scary on tanks over time - a ine-time only roll to see if an Oblit or Spawn or Daemon Prince gets a wound back is negligible).

TBH, I think the DA one is one of the best - if you're playing at 3000pts it's pretty crap, but at 25,000 it's really really good. Linear warriors, quadratic wizards - buffing the army is jist better than being a tank yourself, as most of these traits are based around. At low points, stuff like the Imperial Fist and Space Wolf traits get better and at high points values they become worthless. Assets are pretty much the same - at 3000pts, Orbital Strike is pretty much autopick. At 25000? Why wouldn't you take something like Corrupt and Despoil or Ere We Go Ladz?

As an aside, I am REALLY liking the new racial assets. Corrupt and Despoil is so, so awesome.

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Well we're moving from rumor to fact now with today being Apoc's release, so I'm locking this thread. Discussion about Apoc is open in the 40 General chat.

EDIT: I'm leaving the thread up for one week from this post then moving it to Rumor Round-up. This is to give people who don't have the book a chance to peruse things some more before it gets moved.

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