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This one likely deserves some time to mature because it's rather incomplete sounding and doesn't have enough information. Plus with a 3 month lead time on WD's the soonest we'd be able to confirm or deny this is honestly likely June, and even then it'll remain uncertain because GW is known to go back and do whatever they want regardless of what they've said in the past.

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So reading through this rumor, it seems that someone from the design team is upset that rules are being released in White Dwarf. I am not sure if this rumor refers to "White Dwarf Inserts", but if it does, that would good bye to any rules updates, or new models being introduced in the White Dwarf Magazine.

Personally I would take a lot of salt with this rumor. However there are a few people, mostly of questionable integrity, that are buying this bit completely and writing off White Dwarf completely, for example the flyer update that is rumored for March/April.

Please remember that this is a rumor, take with a lot of salt, since its quite contradictory to a lot that has been going on.

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I have been told that the recent update of apple codex's with rules not updated elsewhere was an oversight by the design team, and that a pdf will become available "once someone has time." As a result of the negative feedback on these ipad updates and whitedwarf content, the design team has said they won't be including rules for armies in whitedwarf anymore.

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I would say this refers to things like were just befor the bp they talk rufly about rules like smight for dk,not updates because as far as I know the white dwarf updates are a good way to get that army ready for a release.
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Sad times.

The days when they released Confrontation free through WD seems aeons ago. It was actually about 21 years ago and that makes me feel stupidly ancient. Not just an update, a whole game,

Confrontation - still one of the most enjoyable GW games I have ever played.

I imagine the bean counters would not be too pleased with a free ruleset release these days.

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I don't like them releasing rules solely in WD.

If it was "release in WD, then make PDF available 1/2/3 months later" that would be A-ok. However doing things like releasing rules for new models and even entire armies, and then never, ever, making them available to people who don't bother to spend 5 per month on a glossy piece of sewage or who couldn't get to the store in time? Fuck off.

Of course you can always just find a photocopy PDF online, but that isn't exactly ideal from anyone's point of view, is it?

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I don't like them releasing rules solely in WD.

If it was "release in WD, then make PDF available 1/2/3 months later" that would be A-ok. However doing things like releasing rules for new models and even entire armies, and then never, ever, making them available to people who don't bother to spend 5 per month on a glossy piece of sewage or who couldn't get to the store in time? Fuck off.

Of course you can always just find a photocopy PDF online, but that isn't exactly ideal from anyone's point of view, is it?
The problem with it being release 1/2/3/ months later is that people will just wait that long and then pick it up on the website instead of paying for the white dwarf. Maybe making it available 6 months later? I'm not really sure how to come up with a win/win situation for this.

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This idea would pretty much kill WD. People still see it as little more then a glossy advertising magazine, so taking out one of the few reasons for people to buy it is suicide for the publication...

As said though, the exclusive to WD idea in itself is stupid... don't buy the mag that month? You miss the rules and so can't use the unit.. so you won't but the model. Yes, you can find them online... but how many people have seen others complain about people turning up with a print out, rather then an official rulebook, or accused someone of cheating as they don't have a copy of those rules to check, or.. as with FW units, refused to play the person as the unit isn't legal? Stupid, but it happens.


Anyway... i can see this being true as it would stop alot of problems... but it'd also kill WD as an entity as no-one would have a reason to buy it without the suppliments occasionally printed in it.
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Sad times.

The days when they released Confrontation free through WD seems aeons ago. It was actually about 21 years ago and that makes me feel stupidly ancient. Not just an update, a whole game,

Confrontation - still one of the most enjoyable GW games I have ever played.
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Wow Confrontation, nice to know of someone I wouldn't have to explain some of my cultist minis too, the amount of times I have had to have the 'They are GW minis, they are just older than you Mr red shirt GW shop monkey.'

Luckily the chap in my local GW now is a solid chap and knows about such things.

As to the rules not being in WD any more, meh, I don't buy it now anyway.
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well this rumor smacks of scaremongering bullshit,"someone in the design team is upset that rumours are being released in WD"??? did they miss the meeting or the memo? Im pretty certain the head of the design team and for that matter the studio must know what rules and such are going into WD before the WD get there hands on them in the first place?
Or are the WD team just chucking out random rules off the top of there heads and some how managing to get the sculptors and the manufacturing shop floor to put out the models to go with the rules the came up with?

If my memory serves there was quite a large report printed in WD or online about the changes and why they happened and im pretty certain that one of the subjects was about including relevant additional rues and updates to make WD more appealing (or more worthy of the massive price tag).

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Wow Confrontation, nice to know of someone I wouldn't have to explain some of my cultist minis too, the amount of times I have had to have the 'They are GW minis, they are just older than you Mr red shirt GW shop monkey.'
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I don't like them releasing rules solely in WD.

If it was "release in WD, then make PDF available 1/2/3 months later" that would be A-ok. However doing things like releasing rules for new models and even entire armies, and then never, ever, making them available to people who don't bother to spend 5 per month on a glossy piece of sewage or who couldn't get to the store in time? Fuck off.

Of course you can always just find a photocopy PDF online, but that isn't exactly ideal from anyone's point of view, is it?
Basically how I feel. I think being able to release new rules in WD is a great thing as it lets them add and adress models out of cycle. On the other hand there's a very specific reason Nintendo Power's last issue wasn't to long ago. Magazines while nice have it tough competing against the internet. Why buy WD when I could wait a bit and get the rules free anyway? I can't think of them logically expecting to make much directly off WD in the internet age.

Doesn't mean they can't still release models and oh...INCLUDE THE RULES WITH THEM. At least for non codex units this would make a lot of sense. PP seems to be doing okay including rules for every unit in it's box even still. With Photo copies being the only way to get back issued rules I honestly not no interest in buying any models not in the codex's yet and GW hates it when we don't want to buy things.
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