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If the FoC is going, then 40k release day will see a MASSIVE FAQ go up online and in stores, to fix *every* other codex out there. That would explain the 'no other 40k releases this year' rumour, it would be making sure everything has settled with the adjustments and seeing how they work with the public before bringing out any other books with those changes in hardcopy. A new Tau or Eldar 'dex with things they've missed on such a huge change would be there for 4 - 5 years...

Though I am sceptical about huge change, I can also see it happening. The last big shake-up was 3rd Ed, and that was over 10 years ago. They did it with WHF, they can do it with 40k. And WHF hasn't "gone down the shitter", it's gone through the same player-base change 40k did with 2nd to 3rd. Those who don't like it leave, new people don't know any different.

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If Psychic powers become random again, that in of itself may be a reason to quit. I enjoy the game being balanced and competitive, and the only way an army can do that is if it is consistent. I'm not a child anymore, and bright lights, loud noises, and simply rolling shitfuls of dice is no longer what I'm after.

The fact that this rumour has come up again, combined with the FoC dropping, means I will not be making any more purchases for my Space Wolves until I see 6th for myself. Luckily, most is still on the sprue, and easier to sell on...
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If those 6th ed rumours are true i fail to see how 40k can be a competitive game instead of the "roll dice and win" system that is 8th ed fantasy. That fucking sucks.

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These rules for sc will see more sales of said sc...in the more expensive finecast version no doubt....so makes perfect marketing sense.

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Nah, they'll make one or two of them good and the others suck, and the fact that to play a good army you need to take that SC you'll see loads of demand for one or two Cult troops and SCs, and next to none for the others. I mean, there's already a massive bias towards Khorne Berzerkers and Plague Marines over Thousand Sons and Noise Marines, this system will just exacerbate the problem.

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If those 6th ed rumours are true i fail to see how 40k can be a competitive game instead of the "roll dice and win" system that is 8th ed fantasy. That fucking sucks.
It's not been competitive for some time my friend, no gaming system is that takes 5 years to update armies!

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I would say that your argument is slightly flawed since Pedro only unlocks veterans that are basicly just marines with slightly better armour and equipment.

Besides, it would make sense for the loyalist leaders to all have the same wargear since they follow the codex astartes. There is no codex nurglite that demands all Death Guard leaders to be scythe wielding, terminator armoured sorcerers.
He makes Sternguard scoring units and gives the entire army the Stubborn rule.

If Pedro isn't a great example, what about Crowe from the Grey Knight Codex? Would he be at literally every battle with more than a couple squads of Purifiers present? Probably not, yet he's required if you want a Purifier-heavy army. It's just how the game works these days, so I don't really get why Chaos players are surprised by the news.
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It's not been competitive for some time my friend, no gaming system is that takes 5 years to update armies!
5th edition is the most competitive 40k has ever been. The system works, but they will change it to something that doesnt work instead of just fixing the minor errors in it.

40k can be played competitively without comp, most of the armies are balanced, minus nids and sisters, while some just take more skill to play competitively; Eldar and Tau.

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I really doubt they'll be dropping the FoC. Why include it in the codexes that were dropped last year? They had to know at that point whether they were going to be even having a FoC. Though I'm not a big user of psykers in 40k, I can definitely see how it would suck. Though again, I don't see how this would be happening as those same codexes still let you pick and choose psychic powers and what not. I think many of the radical changes are going to turn out to be just rumors and won't actually materialize.

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5th edition is the most competitive 40k has ever been. The system works, but they will change it to something that doesnt work instead of just fixing the minor errors in it.

40k can be played competitively without comp, most of the armies are balanced, minus nids and sisters, while some just take more skill to play competitively; Eldar and Tau.
While I agree, I'd like to say that I no longer consider Tau among competitive armies, not above 1500 points anyway. Too much discrepancy in relation to the paucity of Troops choices...
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