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If most of them stopped and actually sat down for a day with the rulebook and read it front to back, and used common sense and logic while doing so I bet things would be a lot simpler. I'd bet a kidney that there's only confusion because the book has been out for about 2 days.
QFT. Compared to the giant clusterfuck that was 5th ed. transition, this one is wonderful. Apart from some nitpicking lawyers (Like GK thunderhammers being AP3, come on, use your common sense...), there are very few real problems.

Now, GW going after Army Builder is another of their imbecilic moves. AB provides a great service to the whole GW community by providing clear rosters that are proprerly added up (compared to the sometimes... shady... hand-made ones).

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Pen paper and calculator works. Plus the layout of army builder is horrendous. So much easier to use a mind.

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Army Builder charges you, Openoffice .calc doesn't. Alternatively, if you have it, Excel. Any spreadsheet program.

I've never seen the appeal of Army Builder, to be honest. Games Workshop provides roster sheets free if you want them.

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"Pen paper and calculator works."

Yes, it should do. But it doesn't.

I can't remember the last time I was provided with a copy of somebody's army list that was hand written.

But I can remember many, many times playing against people who "Know Their Army So Don't Need A Written List" and after the game finding out that they've fielded around 20% more points than they should.

And I can remember many, many times when I've handed an opponent my printed list and seen them instantly tailor a list to combat what I've brought and declared.

Personally, I normally have two copies of my army list printed in advance, one of which is for my opponent to keep as a reference during the game and to take away and digest after the game if they so wish.

Anything that promotes open and fair play should be commended.

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If most of them stopped and actually sat down for a day with the rulebook and read it front to back, and used common sense and logic while doing so I bet things would be a lot simpler. I'd bet a kidney that there's only confusion because the book has been out for about 2 days.
What confusion I understand it about as well as 4-5th at this point...well until the army specific WTF's come up but those typically take 1-3 months or even a year to be fully sniffed out.....and maybe I haven't memorized the 5 psychic tables or the missions, but then against I never did for fantasy so why break a trend now?


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Pen paper and calculator works. Plus the layout of army builder is horrendous. So much easier to use a mind.

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>> Pen? Paper? Calculator? What are these things you talk of. If My PC cant do it for me, then I dont want it. But seriously, Imagine having to do some math all by yourself WTF!!!


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"Pen paper and calculator works."

Yes, it should do. But it doesn't.

I can't remember the last time I was provided with a copy of somebody's army list that was hand written.

But I can remember many, many times playing against people who "Know Their Army So Don't Need A Written List" and after the game finding out that they've fielded around 20% more points than they should.

And I can remember many, many times when I've handed an opponent my printed list and seen them instantly tailor a list to combat what I've brought and declared.

Personally, I normally have two copies of my army list printed in advance, one of which is for my opponent to keep as a reference during the game and to take away and digest after the game if they so wish.

Anything that promotes open and fair play should be commended.
Why can't I play more people like you? I swear ever kid under 20 I play against totaled his army points up in his head and is just sure that he is kosher. List, what list? Meanwhile I spent hours trying to decide where to spend those last 5 points and if I should take that melta bomb off a squad or give someone else a heavy weapon.
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To be honest, this looks like a first move in clearing the way for what people have been asking GW to do for years, which is go digital more. Which would include more codeces online, and army builder would be in direct conflict with anything roster-related GW chose to release.

And did someone mention Army Builder charges? That's making money off GWs IP, which they've been coming down hard on whenever they can of late.

If people really want GW to make new things for them, then other companies that do it *will* be gone after. You protect your source of income, especially when it's your sole product (ie "warhammer").

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Who asked for gw to be more online?, I certainly never did, and never would, especially if it all involves apple, screw digital crap, if some fat geek wants his codex to be digital he can waddle over to a scanner barely able to breath and scan his codex into a suitable format before rolling his fat ass down to his local to table a 12yr old because it "excites him"
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Who asked for gw to be more online?, I certainly never did, and never would, especially if it all involves apple, screw digital crap, if some fat geek wants his codex to be digital he can waddle over to a scanner barely able to breath and scan his codex into a suitable format before rolling his fat ass down to his local to table a 12yr old because it "excites him"
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