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Sounds like you will need flyers in most armies to have a chance off taking out flyers.
I dont think Orks will care, hitting on 5s or 6s, who cares.... DAKKA DAKKA DAKKA!!!!

Tankbustas in a Battlewagon might be a really good way to shoot them down, unless they also have the rule that reduces the range of all weapons shot at them by 24".

Pintle mounted weapons can apparently shoot at fliers with no penalty.... but what pintlemounted weapons have the strength to even glance AV10-12?

Chaos Rhino Havoc launcher? Is that a pintle mounted weapon?
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I dont think Orks will care, hitting on 5s or 6s, who cares.... DAKKA DAKKA DAKKA!!!!

Tankbustas in a Battlewagon might be a really good way to shoot them down, unless they also have the rule that reduces the range of all weapons shot at them by 24".

Pintle mounted weapons can apparently shoot at fliers with no penalty.... but what pintlemounted weapons have the strength to even glance AV10-12?

Chaos Rhino Havoc launcher? Is that a pintle mounted weapon?
Pintle mounted combi-bolters, for one shot chances would be a possibility. Also, pintle mounted multi-meltas on Land raiders.

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Pintle mounted combi-bolters, for one shot chances would be a possibility. Also, pintle mounted multi-meltas on Land raiders.
hmm....you have a good point it would be a good idea to kill anything with pintle mounts asap.... Do we know if any troops will be able to shoot down fliers easy enough? (Orks don't count)
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So it will be easier to hit fliers with blast weapons, better to shoot the frag at a flier than the krak? Perhaps blast weapons can't hit fliers?

Still nothing about assaulting fliers, I hope you can't do it, perhaps with assault troops but they'd have to take dangerous terrain tests or something :D
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Assaulting a flier is insane... I love it :D
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Assaulting a flier is insane... I love it :D
Legolas would assault a flier - but I'm not sure about anyone in the 40K universe.

Though, thinking about it, given how dangerous bird-strike is for real-world planes, I'd reckon gargoyles could bring down most planes by clogging the engines...

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Not to mention I think the Space Marine game had rocket propelled orks trying to bring down a Valkyrie in flight... A decidedly suicidal move but if we're going"cinematic" here? I could actually see this being done. Having assault Marines jump up and taking down some flying beast sounds "exciting". Also helps make jump infantry useful as a possible flier solution.
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My gargoyles never do anything but die, so them dying taking out enemy fliers seems a step up

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Pintle mounted combi-bolters, for one shot chances would be a possibility. Also, pintle mounted multi-meltas on Land raiders.
So... If your army doesn't have pintle-mounted heavy weapons or- let's drop all the pretenses, if you're not a SPACE MARINE a flyer will fuck your day so bad it's like you're facing a mech spam list armed with nothing but laspistols.
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Let's have a look at which armies don't have fliers, or creatures that can fly.

If you don't use FW stuff, that's Sisters (interim codex), Eldar (old codex) and Tau (old codex). If I'm missing something really obvious please let me know.

We haven't seen the rulebook yet. We're only getting one side of the flier story, the bits that make them sound awesome. For all we know, anything classed as Heavy Support might have access to this Skyfire rule.

The old 'flying high' rules made jump packs and wings an unstoppable pain in the ass. I sincerely doubt they'd put something back in like that. The appearance at present is that 6s to hit only apply at speed or at higher level flying, which also screws your own effectiveness.

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