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Q: Can a unit attempt the same Act of Faith more than
once per turn? (White Dwarf,August 2011 Page 94)
A: No.

And here I was happily picturing Acts of Faith like that old lawn mower cord starter that wouldn't start until after the third try; silly me.

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I have always seen Karamazov as part of the SoB i mean SoB are the mllitary part of the WH right ? Who is going to lead them if not the Inquisition. They are the church armed forces are they not ?
The Inquisition and the Ecclesiarchy are two different organizations.

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Karamazov is out of place in the GK by my opinion.
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Yet another short history of battle sisters for those that don't know. Did this from memory so I apologize if I make an error.

Codex SOB, 2nd edition. Sisters were a possible add on to an existing imperial force. "Could" be used to create an army of their own in the codex.

**In fluff they were the fanatical army of the ecclesiarchy with convents spread across the galaxy. Mostly orphans raised from childhood to be Zealous warriors in the service of the god-emperor**

Codex: Chapter approved, early-ish 3rd Edition. Gained full army status. Lacked ANY long (over 36" and that was only heavy bolters) ranged fire support except hunter killer missles. Battle Sisters Vs Dominions(did they exist in that one?) VS Retributors were very distinct and all were fairly useful in their roles.

**Fluff mostly the same, added one line about the Witchhunter branch of the inquisition requisitioning them for purges. Still mostly fanatical church ladies.**

Codex Witchhunters. Late 3rd early 4th?

**In an attempt to get the three ordos done, Sisters of Battle were slapped into the inquisition, instead of remaining the army of the church, it seemed they were getting used more by inquisitors. The codex completely ignored previous fluff and the fanatical hatred the Sisters have for psychers, allowing sanctioned psychers in the army. It added some new interesting- but ultimately useless due to the way rage worked- units that fit the sisters fluff such as the flagellants and penitent engines, beefed up fire support in the form of the exorcist from the forge world rules, but it made the retributors obsolete. Not only were they unable to carry four heavy flamers for roasting fun, they could not compete for a slot/points with the exorcist. It missed an opportunity to make celestians actually semi-useful in close combat by giving them all a sarissa, and the rules for either 4th or 5th edition nerfed pistols which made seraphim much less effective.**

White dwarf codex- Late 5th

**Made them fanatical nuns again, the army of the church. Many old time Sisters players rejoiced. Newer players who didn't get it cried for their lost inquisition. Fixed some problems, left others alone, created new ones, made the army bland and not competitive in play. Nerfed one of the sisters two unique vehicles into near uselessness. Nerfed Seraphim even more by restricting them to a standard hit and run, though it did fix the problem with pistols and dual wielding. Other stuff.**



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The SoB are in a strange position in 40K fluff, they are the chamber militant of the Ecclesiarchy yet at the same time they can't say no to the Ordo Hereticus if they request the aid of them. I might be mistaken but I think it's been mentioned that they are both the chamber militant of the Ecclesiarchy AND the Ordo Hereticus. I'm just going by recollection here. What I do know for certain though is that the SoB are at the disposition of the WHs but their main duties revolve around protecting Ecclesiarichal interests. When the Ecclesiarchy declares a war of faith the SoB are the ones to carry out this war together with whatever mobs of ppl the priests can gather. If the WHs are in need of an army for something they can and have used the SoB as their instrument of war.

I've read most books, comics etc related to the SoB and I can come to one conclusion, they are the least respected of all the "organisations" in the world of 40K. They get killed left and right by all sides, almost never win a battle and when they do they will have lost 90% of their forces unless it's vs some useless rubble.
Their authority is always stepped on, in Hammer and Anvil they are pretty much told to go fuck themselves by the Ordo Xenos and the Techpriests of Mars. In Daemonifuge they are told that if they refuse to hand over Stern the Ordo Hereticus will be forced to purge every Sister in the chapter. In Fireborn a chaos daemonengine (funny how there is a rumour for this to become a unit in the game) just plows through every single Sister, they use bolter, flamer, melta, exorcist missiles and a sister even detonates a melta bomb in the side of the thing blowing herself up in the progress. A living artifact has to sacrifice her power just to halt the damn thing and then a single SM kills it with a Thunder Hammer.



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I heard on a podcast there is a story about Sisters asking a SM legion what they are doing in the sector or some such and they respond by whiping out the Sisters fleet. There were something about imperial space marines eating the brains of people and when the Sisters question this they get killed and eaten as well. Not sure where this story is from but I'm sure someone knows what I'm talking about.

Heck in 5E 99% of all the Sisters in the universe suddenly got killed of, they make it seem like there are roughly 50k Sisters in 40k when that number is statistically impossible.
The part in quotes I have not read myself but it wouldn't surprise me if it's true.
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Yep lot of hate coming down the pipe at the SoB from GW these days. Although I have never been a fan of the army they really should be shown as being at least more effective then regular guardsmen (Not going to happen though with imagined pastoral and modern ideals about the inherent nobility of sacrifice and courage in the British military). Hell they do still wear power armor and carry hand held grenade launchers don't they. SoB seem to almost be a back drop for simply illustrating the idiocy of the religious branch of the imerium.

I say this as 40k these days has attached distinct historical archetypes to every army these days. BT are medieval Christianity during the crusades. GK are a heavily romanticized of generally the same concept. While SoB are a kinda of cathartic venting about the disdain for the Spanish inquisitional period, and other frowned upon puritan movements.


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I heard on a podcast there is a story about Sisters asking a SM legion what they are doing in the sector or some such and they respond by wiping out the Sisters fleet.

This would appear to be a garbled rendition of 'The Ecclesiarchy Comes to Fenris'. Long story short the Space Wolves are heretical wolf-shagging barbarians about this -><- close to worshiping Khorne, so the Ecclesiarchy sent a delegation of Priests to Fenris to ask them if the rumours were true. The Space Wolves shot down the ship full of unarmed Priests and then effortlessly eliminated three whole Orders of sisters who came looking for the Priests.

There were something about imperial space marines eating the brains of people and when the Sisters question this they get killed and eaten as well. Not sure where this story is from but I'm sure someone knows what I'm talking about.

This may be one of two different stories where Space Marines eat Battle sisters, The first concerns the Flesh Tearers, who were eating some militia during one of the Wars for Armagedon. The Sisters tried to stop them, and got eaten too (since retconned to merely killed). The other story involves the Sons of Malice who sacrificed and apparently ate an Inquisitor and her retinue of Celestians during a 'victory celebration'.

Heck in 5E 99% of all the Sisters in the universe suddenly got killed of, they make it seem like there are roughly 50k Sisters in 40k when that number is statistically impossible.
They weren't 'killed off' so much as retconned into a much smaller bracket of possible numbers. No firm number is given in the 5e rulebook, 50k is within the realms of what is said, though. It states that there are "three Major Orders" (no, I don't know either) each numbering "several thousands" and "many lesser sisterhoods comprised of around a hundred or so Battle Sisters"

Goodness me! A hundred, you say.

One hundred thousand would appear to be the upper limit of such language.

My favourite part, though, has to be:

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Wherever there are foes of the Emperor, the Sisters of Battle will be found fighting to the last.
The book even says that they are only good for dying... Ye gods of old rome.

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Wherever there are foes of the Emperor, the Sisters of Battle will be found fighting to the last.
Well, this can't be true if there are a million worlds in the imperium but only 50k sisters of battle

In the least there has to be millions if not billions. At the very least every world with a billion or more guardsmen has to have a few hundred thousand SoB.

I think the developers can't do math basically. They've forgotten how big the 40k universe really is and how many planets the imperium of man occupy. I believe I've read somewhere that the Sisters defend Ecclisarchy churches and important places, the Ecclesiarchy are also amongst the first on new worlds occupied by humans. Even if there was just a single battle sister on each world with some Ecclesiarichal presence there should be hundreds of thousands of SoB.
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GW employees are only human and the do make mistakes. I seriously stop caring about the sister of battle fluff cause I'm expecting it to change in 6th edition. So let's all calm down about it and wait till 6th edition. If it doesn't change then we can all start raging again.
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I'm annoyed they didn't fix that idiotic Penitent Engine misprint. I mean, I assume everyone reads it as 1 with the option of up to 2 more, but that's not what it says and we all know there's someone out there who'll argue the toss about it for three hours.

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Everyone bitches about the Sisters entry in the 40k rulebook being tiny. No-one chooses to mention that the GK one is even smaller.

It's lovely to be able to be so very blinkered about things sometimes. Other times it's just irritating and makes the complainant look whiny and childish.

As a Sisters player of over 12 years, I like this list best of what we've had so far. And if I didn't, constant bitching wouldn't change anything, except to put off people trying out the new list (which works just fine, thank you) and so making GW believe that even less people than they thought are interested in Sisters. So we enter the horrible downward Catch 22 spiral, and it's entirely your own fault. So maybe, just maybe, try playing the list and finding ways of enjoying it like I have, or GW may just decide no-one at all likes it and just cans it...

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