Seriously, it's not any where near a wow raid. Maybe at first. We (me and my clan) were in the lead for the TTK raid when it dropped. We were on Oryx before anyone else but just had a hard time figuring it out. Ended up losing the race. That took us 4hrs because we didn't know it. Now, we take people through it who never have done it in under an hour from start to finish. Add about 30 mins for hard mode or if we are going for the challange mode. If you want a relaxed clan (ps4) to play with for pve or pvp, let me know. I'm one of the officers and will vouch you right in.