Cheers for the replys guys.
To answer the question a couple of you ahve asked - I am running the Librarian with the termies in the Land Raider.
Last night I used a moded version of the list as the speeders werent ready but the raider did its job nicely, at several points I was praying that meltas shot didnt turn it into a tomb but it turned out ok.
Even though I had Null zone I didnt need to use it, well thats my excuse for forgetting to cast it when I needed to.
I did change the other power to Avenger and that worked out just great, burning five marines to cinders who were camping an objective.
Pestilice - am really again vortex as the three times I have used it my Librarian has decided that being the focus of it is a good idea, so he has been told no more vortex as he is a very bad librarian.
@hijynx - I see what you mean about the Redeemer I used the assault cannons and melta and never even produced a lick of flame due to range. It has done some wonderful things versus horde for me though.
@Lash Machine - You suggested the Razor back have a Lascannon and plasma. Has this worked well for you? Before I got in range I had no assault cannnons and the las would have given me a chance to get a punch in at range.
@WinZip - Thank you for that, it was a test and I meant to do it. Honest.
Has Anyone got any advice on Rifleman dreads or Predators? I have seen them in some list but having never used them i am a bit at a loss to see really waht sort of hammering they can give the enemy without being major targets.