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2k SM Sternguard Lists...

So I'm curious as to which of these sternguard lists would be more effective.

List #1...

HQ:
175 - Pedro Kantor Impersonator
100 - Librarian - Null Zone, Vortex of Doom
220 - Honour Guard x3 - Combat Blade/PW x1, Bolter/RB x2, Razorback (TLLC)

Elite:
280 - Sternguard x6 - PF/CF, CM x3, CF x2, Razorback (TLLC)
280 - Sternguard x6 - PF/CF, CM x3, CF x2, Razorback (TLLC)
280 - Sternguard x6 - PF/CF, CM x3, CF x2, Razorback (TLLC)

Troops:
100 - Scout Squad x5 - CC x5, ML, SR x4
100 - Scout Squad x5 - CC x5, ML, SR x4

Fast Attack:
60 - Landspeeder - MM
60 - Landspeeder - MM

Heavy Support:
115 - Vindicator
115 - Vindicator
115 - Vindicator

or

List #2...

HQ:
175 - Pedro Kantor Impersonator
100 - Librarian - Null Zone, Vortex of Doom

Elite:
390 - Sternguard x10 - PF/CF, CM x4, CF x3, Razorback (TLLC)
390 - Sternguard x10 - PF/CF, CM x4, CF x3, Razorback (TLLC)

Troops:
100 - Scout Squad x5 - CC x5, ML, SR x4
100 - Scout Squad x5 - CC x5, ML, SR x4

Fast Attack:
90 - Landspeeder - TML/HB

Heavy Support:
275 - Land Raider Crusader - EA, MM
265 - Land Raider Redeemer - EA, MM
115 - Vindicator

C&C Appreciated (Yes I know 2x LR's = point sink, just tinkering around).

Thanks,

Tak

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So I'm curious as to which of these sternguard lists would be more effective.

List #1...

HQ:
175 - Pedro Kantor Impersonator
IMPOSTER!!!!
100 - Librarian - Null Zone, Vortex of Doom
Vortex-TDA=issue. He cannot move and shoot so it is kind of limiting.
220 - Honour Guard x3 - Combat Blade/PW x1, Bolter/RB x2, Razorback (TLLC)
HG can be nasty but also expensive. I would highly suggest getting the Chapter Banner in there so you can split up the HG and Kantor to try to give as much of your army the +1 A. That being said, I also highly suggest keeping Kantor seperate from the HG. Let the Lib run around with them and get the HG up to a full 5 man.
Elite:
280 - Sternguard x6 - PF/CF, CM x3, CF x2, Razorback (TLLC)
280 - Sternguard x6 - PF/CF, CM x3, CF x2, Razorback (TLLC)
280 - Sternguard x6 - PF/CF, CM x3, CF x2, Razorback (TLLC)
IF you go with what I suggest above, you have would have to drop at least 1 guy from one of these to have him run around with them. Second, whatever squad he is with should have the SGT switch his fist for a PW since Kantor will bring the fist to the fight.
Troops:
100 - Scout Squad x5 - CC x5, ML, SR x4
100 - Scout Squad x5 - CC x5, ML, SR x4
One of these should have Telion which would also be exteremly fluffy if you think about it from a Crimson Fists point of view. Tactically, Telion makes scouts much better and the fact he can declare who is getting the wounds is brilliant. In a pinch he can direct the fire of the ML to help take down a transport. That being said, you will have 5 scoring units which might be a bit much. I think one squad of scouts will be enough since they are not that great overall.
Fast Attack:
60 - Landspeeder - MM
60 - Landspeeder - MM
Nice and fast for tank hunting.
Heavy Support:
115 - Vindicator
115 - Vindicator
115 - Vindicator
Um, damn. 3x Pain in a can = nasty. I might suggest dropping one to instead get Typhoon launchers for the Land Speeders so 1) they get more shots per turn and 2) a bit more versatility so now they can also tackle infantry if they are lacking armored targets.
or

List #2...

HQ:
175 - Pedro Kantor Impersonator
100 - Librarian - Null Zone, Vortex of Doom
See above regarding Vortex. Who are they running with?
Elite:
390 - Sternguard x10 - PF/CF, CM x4, CF x3, Razorback (TLLC)
390 - Sternguard x10 - PF/CF, CM x4, CF x3, Razorback (TLLC)
Also, I know others will disagree with me, but throwing a Heavy Flamer into one of these that will be an assault type unit has worked for me and I do recommend people give it a try.
Troops:
100 - Scout Squad x5 - CC x5, ML, SR x4
100 - Scout Squad x5 - CC x5, ML, SR x4
See above regarding scouts and Telion.
Fast Attack:
90 - Landspeeder - TML/HB
Very nice.
Heavy Support:
275 - Land Raider Crusader - EA, MM
265 - Land Raider Redeemer - EA, MM
115 - Vindicator

C&C Appreciated (Yes I know 2x LR's = point sink, just tinkering around).
Yeah, I cannot recommend 2 LRs but it is your list and it might well work once just to catch your opponents off guard.
Thanks,

Tak

Vortex is the biggest issue since it is a "heavy weapon" and your Lib lacks Term Armor. Lots of potential here. Good luck!
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So how about something like this...

List #3...

HQ:
175 - Pedro Kantor Impersonator
100 - Librarian - Null Zone, Avenger
280 - Honour Guard x4 - Champion (BP/PW/Combat Blade), RB x2, Chapter Banner, Razorback (TLLC)

Elites:
270 - Sternguard Squad x6 - PF/CF, CM x3, CF x1, Razorback (TLLC)
270 - Sternguard Squad x6 - PF/CF, CM x3, CF x1, Razorback (TLLC)
240 - Sternguard Squad x5 - LC/CF, CM x3, CF x1, Razorback (TLLC)

Troops:
100 - Scout Squad x5 - Camo Cloaks, ML, SR x4
100 - Scout Squad x5 - Camo Cloaks, ML, SR x4

Fast Attack:
60 - Landspeeder - MM
60 - Landspeeder - MM

Heavy Support:
115 - Vindicator
115 - Vindicator
115 - Vindicator

For this list, because of points, I could choose to upgrade to Telion, add 1x Honour Guard w/ RB, or 1x Landspeeder w/ MM (chose LS because I have good luck with them in suicide role).

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List #4...

HQ:
175 - Pedro Kantor Impersonator
150 - Librarian - Epistolary, Null Zone, Avenger

Elites:
290 - Sternguard Squad x6 - PF/CF, CM x3, CF x2, Razorback (LasPlas, PMSB)
260 - Sternguard Squad x5 - PF/CF, CM x3, CF x1, Razorback (LasPlas, PMSB)
260 - Sternguard Squad x5 - PF/CF, CM x3, CF x1, Razorback (LasPlas, PMSB)

Troops:
147 - Scout Squad x5 - Camo Cloaks, Telion, ML, SR x3
100 - Scout Squad x5 - Camo Cloaks, ML, SR x4

Fast Attack:
90 - Landspeeder - TML/HB
90 - Landspeeder - TML/HB
90 - Landspeeder - TML/HB

Heavy Support:
115 - Vindicator
115 - Vindicator
115 - Vindicator

Some things I could swap around would be perhaps:
- Change the LasPlas Turrets (seem to be the flavor of the month atm) to TLAC (4x TL rending attacks seems nice but don't see it hardly on tables) so it could chew thru troops (6x shots with the PMSB) yet still have a chance for AV
- Change the LasPlas Turrets to TLLC for better AV punch and drop the PMSB and change one of the CF in each Sternguard Squad to HF and with the extra points add another scout to Telion's squad
- Drop the PMSB and 1x Typhoon and some Combi's to net points to add back in 2x Landspeeders with MM's. Question then is do I squadron the 2x LS Typhoons or the 2x LS Meltas?

Thanks,

Tak


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Ah, but as per the new FAQ, if you have Telion, you don't need to buy cloaks for the other scouts in his squad!
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So how about something like this...

List #3...

HQ:
175 - Pedro Kantor Impersonator
100 - Librarian - Null Zone, Avenger
280 - Honour Guard x4 - Champion (BP/PW/Combat Blade), RB x2, Chapter Banner, Razorback (TLLC)

Elites:
270 - Sternguard Squad x6 - PF/CF, CM x3, CF x1, Razorback (TLLC)
270 - Sternguard Squad x6 - PF/CF, CM x3, CF x1, Razorback (TLLC)
240 - Sternguard Squad x5 - LC/CF, CM x3, CF x1, Razorback (TLLC)

Troops:
100 - Scout Squad x5 - Camo Cloaks, ML, SR x4
100 - Scout Squad x5 - Camo Cloaks, ML, SR x4

Fast Attack:
60 - Landspeeder - MM
60 - Landspeeder - MM

Heavy Support:
115 - Vindicator
115 - Vindicator
115 - Vindicator

For this list, because of points, I could choose to upgrade to Telion, add 1x Honour Guard w/ RB, or 1x Landspeeder w/ MM (chose LS because I have good luck with them in suicide role).

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or...
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List #4...

HQ:
175 - Pedro Kantor Impersonator
150 - Librarian - Epistolary, Null Zone, Avenger

Elites:
290 - Sternguard Squad x6 - PF/CF, CM x3, CF x2, Razorback (LasPlas, PMSB)
260 - Sternguard Squad x5 - PF/CF, CM x3, CF x1, Razorback (LasPlas, PMSB)
260 - Sternguard Squad x5 - PF/CF, CM x3, CF x1, Razorback (LasPlas, PMSB)

Troops:
147 - Scout Squad x5 - Camo Cloaks, Telion, ML, SR x3
100 - Scout Squad x5 - Camo Cloaks, ML, SR x4

Fast Attack:
90 - Landspeeder - TML/HB
90 - Landspeeder - TML/HB
90 - Landspeeder - TML/HB

Heavy Support:
115 - Vindicator
115 - Vindicator
115 - Vindicator

Some things I could swap around would be perhaps:
- Change the LasPlas Turrets (seem to be the flavor of the month atm) to TLAC (4x TL rending attacks seems nice but don't see it hardly on tables) so it could chew thru troops (6x shots with the PMSB) yet still have a chance for AV
- Change the LasPlas Turrets to TLLC for better AV punch and drop the PMSB and change one of the CF in each Sternguard Squad to HF and with the extra points add another scout to Telion's squad
All good ideas, IMO.
- Drop the PMSB and 1x Typhoon and some Combi's to net points to add back in 2x Landspeeders with MM's. Question then is do I squadron the 2x LS Typhoons or the 2x LS Meltas?
I like this last list best. Like I said, as per the FAQ, you can drop the cloaks on Telion's Squad to save points. I agree with dropping the extra Storm Bolters to get the LS the MM. I dont recommend turning them into a squadron since individually they can zoom around nuking seperate targets each turn and forces your opponent to make priority decisions when targeting.
Thanks,

Tak

Rarely do I think the extra points spent are worth Storm Bolters but Im certain they have their uses. I will add more comments after my appointment later.
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