I am sorry but I can't agree with anything you have just said.
First paragraph: If I read this right "take more than one in case you lose one"(?). Well in that case lets take double everything in case we lose one! Double land raiders; Double terminator squads, etc. I am sorry but that is not an arguement at all.
Second paragraph: Well if you can take out a pred at long range and then a vindi later, surely you can take out a vindi at long range and the other later? or are you suggesting he doubles up only on the preds?
Third paragraph: Did you read that everyone? If you don't have duplicated units you are not smart, in fact you are average! Redundancy is not purely about taking double of everything, it is also about having DIFFERENT units that can perform the same task. That is redundancy. e.g. Attack bikes with MM and Speeder with MM. Redundancy also has to be balanced with versatility. e.g. Land speeder with MM and HF; move 12" and fire the weapon that best suits your current target. This land speeder adds redundancy to the attack bikes, but is still versatile as it can take on other hordes effectively.
Er, yeah it is. It's called tactics which you fail to miss. If you take one land raider guess where all the meltas are going? Yes at that single land raider. Land raiders aren't hard to take down with all the melta around, but two are. So yes, double raiders and double terminators, don't you see many lists running this?
You're missing my point. He only has a predator for long range, take that out and he has no more. The vindicator has to move into range, my melta range so I'm using close range weapons to take it out. I'm suggesting he double up on either.
I know what redundancy. You can have different units i.e predator or dev squad but what is easier to kill? pred with a single shot or dev squad with a large blast? My point is it makes target priority easier and still no redundnacy. With the examples you've given, yes, you have redundancy, however a pred with autocannon and lascannons isn't redundancy with a vindicator isn't it? Pred is anti tank and light armour vindicator can smash troops and heavy armour.
Mate, this is the stupidest I heard anyone say in a long time. I almost had to quote you in my signature.
The point of arguments is to convince people of what you are saying is a good idea. Without arguments, it ends up being me believing in what you saying, because you are you. And Iím sorry to say, that doesnít work with me, when you are just a random dude on the internet. Most people tent to listen to what you saying, if you explain why you are right, making us agree faster, making everything go faster, not slower ;)
You are welcome to say Iím average if I donít spam units. Thatís fine with me, but if you read some of the other post, like mine, you can sense Iím not trying to make the most competitive list, Iím trying to make what you call a average list, and I call it fun and casual.
And mate, you are most welcome to comment on other list that I post, but you have to explain you critic so I can use it.
And thanks Epatus, that is some of the smartest things I read on the space marine forum for a long time ;)
Besides that, I think I gotten the critic for my list that I want. Thanks everyone, looking forward to reading what you have to say about my next list ;)
Dude did you read or digest what I said? You say you want to make things faster by adding more text, yes? Well adding more stuff takes things longer. I'm pretty sure my point about redundancy and multiple targets can be got over in a few sentences, however it appears you haven't understood my points.
Yes I am a random dude on the internet, what does that make you then? I've explained things right if you cannot agree then that doesn't work with me either
Also I didn't say you was average did I? And there's no point in me posting on your other list if you don't listen or I have to type essays on things if you cannot get it in a few sentences. I'll take a look, but properly wasting my time as I've already said about redundancy and multiple targets several times.