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post #11 of 15 (permalink) Old 05-05-10, 08:13 PM
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Ok I have never played with a vindicator (but have seen one) but the points difference is:

Predator: 85 pts
-Autocannon
-HB spons

Vindicator: 115 pts


But like you said it is a large blast instead of six str. 5 shots and two str. 7 shots. its really up to you on the change. I would go for the Predator
because it can't scatter like crazy. Lol.

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As Betawing pointed out, a vindicator is a bit more expensive than the dakka predator you want used in your first list.

However, working with putting one in a 500 point list, I'd suggest the following:

Librarian
100

Scout squad
1x Additional scout; 6x camo cloaks; 1x heavy weapon
116

Tactical squad
Powerfist; combi-flamer
Razorbacks
165

Vindicator
115

Total: 496


At five hundred points, shifting them around for any unit is going to mean depleting numbers elsewhere. This list sacrifices a full tactical squad in favour of making use of that vindicator. You still have the heavy armour of the vindicator as well as a transport to get the combat squad and librarian around while maintaining a small firebase of sniper scouts with a heavy weapon. If you do want to go the vindicator route, the above list is my suggestion to you.

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Great 500 point list Darkreever! I'm going to try this list this weekend. It will give me fire to finish this sniper scout squad that I'm painting right now. This looks like a great Crimson fist army.

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A 500pts list that i find good is this:

Howling Giffions:
HQ-Libby-100pts

Troops-10*Tac Marines w/ meltagun, missile, rhino-210pts
Troops-5*Scouts w/ 4*sniper, missile, cloaks-100pts

Fast-Speeder w/ assaualt cannon-90pts

TOTAL:500pts

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I tested out my 3 lists as well as dark reavers and a couple others and his was one of the most effective the other one that was effective was

Librarian

Tack squad 10 man flamer launcher

scout snipers with 5 camo cloaks telion and launcher

whirlwind + stormbolter

On the 48 inch boards that we're using the snipers and whirlwind can hit anywhere on the board first round and do some fairly large damage though there is a very small amount of tank killing it beat lizzy's nids up and down the table.
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