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1500 SM Army. Heavy Firepower Inc

My First list!
C&C encouraged

HQ
Captain
Relic Blade,Stormbolter,Articifer Armour, Digital Weapons - 158
Command Squad
Company Standard, 4xStormbolter,4x Power Weapon - 202
Razorback Dedicated - 40
Master of the Forge
Conversion Beamer - 120

Troops
Scout Squad
+5 Scouts,9xSniper Rifles,9xCamo Cloaks,Sergeant Telion - 217
Tactical Squad
+5 Marines,Lascannon,Plasmagun,Powerfist - 215
Tactical Squad
+5 Marines,Lascannon,Meltagun,Power Weapon - 200

Elite
Dreadnought
TL Lascannon, Dreadnought CC Weapon w/ Stormbolter - 135

Heavy Support
Thunderfire Cannon - 100
Thunderfire Cannon - 100

Total = 1487 Points

The army is focused on blowing things to bits while having the ability to hold off rushes with the tac squads and captain+command squad.

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post #2 of 11 (permalink) Old 02-08-10, 10:54 AM
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Not a bad first list.
I would consider the following at a minimum:

Drop MoTF
Give the razorback for the command squad las cannon / tl plasma
Put an apothecary in the command squad!
Add pf to second tac squad
Switch both tacs to flamer / missle launcher
Get a rhino for both tacs
Put a ML in the scout squad
Drop the dccw and add a missle launcher to the dread

That would make what you have listed much more solid.

I personally do not like to run single dreads, but you need long range anti-tank, and the dread, in concert with the las gun razorback, should be adequate.
I do not like command squads and honor guard, either. They aren't bad, I just find more efficient uses for the points. In your list they should work fine with an apothecary. FnP FTW!

Have your tech marines reinforce and park the thunderfires in the reinforced structure. They are better than most people think. Put the scouts in the reinforced structure for a 2+ cover save.

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I don't like fielding scouts in squads bigger than 5. Honestly, for just 10 pore points than your current scout squad, you can have a 5-man squad plus Telion, and a second 5-man squad (complete with another Sergeant) that can be put somewhere else entirely, allowing you to divide your shots among different targets if you so choose. This second squad can also score on a separate objective, and probably still shoot the same target if Telion and friends isn't enough.
I'd also put a heavy flamer on that second Dreadnought, because I can never get enough heavy flamers on dreadnoughts.
I also agree on most of what Inigo Montoya says. Listen to him.

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I believe that theres an apothecary in a command squad per default.

Put a missile launcher in the scout squad .... you got unspend points anyways. And i would really really try and find some points for rhinos/razorbacks for your tacticals. Ditch 5 scouts if you have to.
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I'm a bit concerned that this army will fall foul to an army like Broadside Tau or fire prism eldar. Seriously, one Razorback and a dreadnought by way of armour, and thats it. When (and if) they're down (mass IG HW squads come to mind) how do you plan on combatting them? You'll never out-gun them.

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Ok, so after a bit of reading and paying attention to your posts ive re-shuffled my points. The new 1500 army is a follows:

HQ
Captain - 158
Stormbolter
Relic Blade
Articifer Armour
Digital Weapons

Command Squad - 202
Company Standard
4x Stormbolter
4x Power Weapon
Razorback - 75 (Dedicated)
TL Lascannon

Troops
Scout Squad - 137
Sergeant Telion
4x Camo Cloaks
4x Sniper Rifles

Tactical Squad - 195
Powerfist
Flamer
Missile Launcher
Rhino - 35 (Dedicated)

Tactical Squad - 195
Powerfist
Flamer
Missile Launcher
Rhino - 35 (Dedicated)

Tactical Squad - 195
Powerfist
Flamer
Missile Launcher
Rhino - 35 (Dedicated)

Heavy Support
Predator - 130
TL Lascannon
Side Sponson Heavy Bolters

Thunderfire Cannon - 100

Thunderfire Cannon - 100

Total = 1492

So there it is, more mobile, more armour and more tac squads. As before, C&C encouraged.

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Your Points are out by a LONG way

your almost 100 points over 1500 with that list

One thing I would recomend, swap the Pred to AC with Las sponsons and spend less points of your Command Squad, as it stands you could have 5 Terminators for the same price as them.

The points you are missing is by not factoring in the cost of each PW and Stormbolter on your Command squad... or any of their wargear. I sometimes run a command squad in a Rhino with 2x melta guns and some CCW... Tactic being to drop a transport then hold up a unit in CC. With their feel no pain it takes a long time to drop them. Would also drop the Stormbolters from them and just stick to plain old Bolt pistols for the extra CC attack, as thats where you want this squad
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Hahahahaha LOL i looked at the wrong total when posting that. But i still had 1492. OK so i have amended the cost of the command squad. But what to do. Drop a thunder fire cannon or drop a tac squad and do something diff. If i drop the cannon, im within 1500 but if i drop a tac squad

Ive answered my own Q.
HQ
Captain - 158
Stormbolter
Relic Blade
Articifer Armour
Digital Weapons

Command Squad - 202
Company Standard
4x Stormbolter
4x Power Weapon
Razorback - 75 (Dedicated)
TL Lascannon

Troops
Scout Squad - 137
Sergeant Telion
4x Camo Cloaks
4x Sniper Rifles

Tactical Squad - 210
Powerfist
Flamer
Missile Launcher
Teleport Homer
Rhino - 35 (Dedicated)

Tactical Squad - 210
Powerfist
Flamer
Missile Launcher
Teleport Homer
Rhino - 35 (Dedicated)

Elite
Terminator Assault Squad - 200
3x Lightning Claws
2x Thunder Hammer + Storm Shield

Heavy Support
Predator - 130
TL Lascannon
Side Sponson Heavy Bolters

Thunderfire Cannon - 100

Hopefully you get 1492 aswell lol


ok..............hows that?

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Ok, we are getting there slowly...

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Hahahahaha LOL i looked at the wrong total when posting that. But i still had 1492. OK so i have amended the cost of the command squad. But what to do. Drop a thunder fire cannon or drop a tac squad and do something diff. If i drop the cannon, im within 1500 but if i drop a tac squad

Ive answered my own Q.
HQ
Captain - 158
Stormbolter
Relic Blade
Articifer Armour
Digital Weapons
No problems here, if you need points elsewhere, lose the digi weapons.

Command Squad - 202
Company Standard
4x Stormbolter
4x Power Weapon
Razorback - 75 (Dedicated)
TL Lascannon
Lose the Standard and the Storm Bolters. The standard is not worth its points and the storm bolters take away your extra attack in assault. stick with the pistols. Aside from that, I have never like command squads; far too expensive, but if you are looking to use them as a counter attacking unit, it might work.

Troops
Scout Squad - 137
Sergeant Telion
4x Camo Cloaks
4x Sniper Rifles
I would try to get that missile in here.

Tactical Squad - 210
Powerfist
Flamer
Missile Launcher
Teleport Homer
Rhino - 35 (Dedicated)
See Below

Tactical Squad - 210
Powerfist
Flamer
Missile Launcher
Teleport Homer
Rhino - 35 (Dedicated)
Lose the homers. Aside from that no problems.

Elite
Terminator Assault Squad - 200
3x Lightning Claws
2x Thunder Hammer + Storm Shield
Unless these guys have a LRC they have no business being in this list. I take from the homers you intend to teleport them? Bad idea. On the turn they arrive, they have to sit there and wait to be shot at. Vindicators have a field day with this.

Heavy Support
Predator - 130
TL Lascannon
Side Sponson Heavy Bolters
If you are taking missile launchers and have the razorback with TL las, I would make this into a Vindicator...and then buy another one.

Thunderfire Cannon - 100
Not a fan, but I know they have their uses.

Hopefully you get 1492 aswell lol


ok..............hows that?
I would go for something like this...

HQ
Captain - 148
Stormbolter
Relic Blade
Articifer Armour

Command Squad - 175
4x Power Weapon
Razorback - 75 (Dedicated)
TL Lascannon

Master of the Forge - 155
Conversion Beamer
Space Marine Bike

Troops
Scout Squad - 147
Sergeant Telion
4x Camo Cloaks
3x Sniper Rifles
1x Missile Launcher

Tactical Squad - 195
Powerfist
Flamer
Missile Launcher
Razorback - 40 (Dedicated)

Tactical Squad - 195
Powerfist
Flamer
Missile Launcher
Razorback - 40 (Dedicated)

Heavy Support
Vindicator - 115

Vindicator - 115

Thunderfire Cannon - 100

What do you think of that?

Hope this helps.


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I like it, but a couple of questions:
Why the missile launcher in the scout squad?
Razorbacks can only transport 6 models so why have them for the tac squads?

I was eyeing up the vindicators as i like me some Kaboom!

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