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Forum: 40k Fluff   10-11-14, 03:35 AM
Replies: 242
Views: 23,935
Posted By MEQinc
Well it would, if the the theme wasn't that...

Well it would, if the the theme wasn't that humanity is doomed. 40k isn't the story of how mankind bounces back from the brink, it's the story of how mankind dies by inches. It's not the story of a...
Forum: 40k Fluff   10-10-14, 01:41 AM
Replies: 13
Views: 1,177
Posted By MEQinc
Oh I agree. I was just clarifying as to why there...

Oh I agree. I was just clarifying as to why there was still a pretty lengthy training period before they became Marines.
Forum: 40k Fluff   10-09-14, 09:39 PM
Replies: 13
Views: 1,177
Posted By MEQinc
There's 'combat' and combat though. Most recruits...

There's 'combat' and combat though. Most recruits will have experience fighting and killing people but very few will have any actual military training. It's certainly a better starting point (though...
Forum: 40k Fluff   10-09-14, 07:29 PM
Replies: 13
Views: 1,177
Posted By MEQinc
Simply being on a Battle Barge, or whatever other...

Simply being on a Battle Barge, or whatever other ships Black Templars use, does not necessarily mean one will be exposed to combat and certainly does not mean one would be expected to seek it out or...
Forum: 40k Fluff   10-09-14, 07:02 PM
Replies: 242
Views: 23,935
Posted By MEQinc
I don't think Guilliman coming back would be...

I don't think Guilliman coming back would be useable by the High Lords, because I don't think Guilliman's going to have any interest in saving the Imperium's bacon. A resurrected Guilliman is going...
Forum: 40k Fluff   06-25-14, 12:14 AM
Replies: 51
Views: 11,295
Posted By MEQinc
I find this claim pretty suspect. Russ' wolves...

I find this claim pretty suspect. Russ' wolves didn't hold off the the WE, they are specifically stated to have been driven back (baring those who returned to help Russ). Also, if you're going to...
Forum: 40k Fluff   06-13-14, 04:37 PM
Replies: 34
Views: 3,031
Posted By MEQinc
The followers of Chaos are often not particularly...

The followers of Chaos are often not particularly chaotic that's true. They often start pretty chaotic though. Chaos cults come in a huge variety of forms, everything from death cults to student...
Forum: 40k Fluff   05-16-14, 02:38 PM
Replies: 56
Views: 6,152
Posted By MEQinc
The Maiden Worlds were, by definition pretty...

The Maiden Worlds were, by definition pretty much, uninhabited at the time of the Fall, most remain so. The Eldar Empire wasn't like the Imperium, it didn't stretch from one end of the galaxy to the...
Forum: 40k Fluff   05-16-14, 02:13 PM
Replies: 26
Views: 3,609
Posted By MEQinc
Oh I agree, there's really no way to actually...

Oh I agree, there's really no way to actually resolve this issue. I wasn't so much debating you as just posting my thoughts (your post being a convenient way to phrase my points).

Congratulations!...
Forum: 40k Fluff   05-15-14, 10:38 PM
Replies: 26
Views: 3,609
Posted By MEQinc
Actually I think the Thousand Sons would be a bad...

Actually I think the Thousand Sons would be a bad choice. Using psychic powers in the Webway is an excellent way to breach it and when the warp rolls in I don't think it'll care who's there.


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Forum: 40k Fluff   03-13-14, 11:28 PM
Replies: 68
Views: 4,709
Posted By MEQinc
Dire Avengers are generally a fairly small part...

Dire Avengers are generally a fairly small part of a much larger force. Is it worth damning those eldar to walk the Path of War for the rest of their lives just to improve part of the army?


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Forum: 40k Fluff   03-13-14, 07:19 PM
Replies: 68
Views: 4,709
Posted By MEQinc
The Tau really aren't ahead of the Imperium in...

The Tau really aren't ahead of the Imperium in basically every tech field bar plasma weapons. The Imperium builds bigger, faster, stronger and more reliable tech than the Tau almost across the board....
Forum: 40k Fluff   03-07-14, 03:38 PM
Replies: 29
Views: 3,133
Posted By MEQinc
Daemons don't really die, she may have "crushed"...

Daemons don't really die, she may have "crushed" those possessing her but they didn't actually disappear and thus wouldn't have weakened Slaanesh itself.
Forum: 40k Fluff   03-07-14, 01:39 AM
Replies: 29
Views: 3,133
Posted By MEQinc
Possession and ascension are two very different...

Possession and ascension are two very different things. Daemon Princedom is not achieved by granting a daemon into your body.
Forum: 40k Fluff   03-05-14, 04:44 PM
Replies: 29
Views: 3,133
Posted By MEQinc
Also, Argel Tal is fated to die. The daemon...

Also, Argel Tal is fated to die. The daemon repeatedly tells him how he dies, it wouldn't make sense to have him survive his fated end.
Forum: 40k Fluff   02-15-14, 02:01 AM
Replies: 6
Views: 1,108
Posted By MEQinc
Technically they didn't 'get rid' of the Star...

Technically they didn't 'get rid' of the Star Child theory, they just revealed that it was a Tzeentchian cult.



1) Except that the Emperor isn't fed through the worship of humanity. That's...
Forum: 40k Fluff   02-14-14, 02:21 AM
Replies: 6
Views: 1,108
Posted By MEQinc
1) The Emperor is a physical being. The Chaos...

1) The Emperor is a physical being. The Chaos Gods are not.
2) The Emperor is not on the same power level as the Chaos Gods. He is far more limited in his reach than they are.



Except for the...
Forum: 40k Fluff   01-27-14, 01:10 AM
Replies: 15
Views: 1,340
Posted By MEQinc
They could be. But they don't have to be. As...

They could be. But they don't have to be. As Malus points out, the Night Lords of 10th Company are directed by a non-possessed navigator who has little trouble navigating without the Astronomicon.
...
Forum: 40k Fluff   01-26-14, 12:25 AM
Replies: 16
Views: 1,305
Posted By MEQinc
In theory, sure. As Beaviz says its never gonna...

In theory, sure. As Beaviz says its never gonna happen though.
Forum: 40k Fluff   01-12-14, 01:13 AM
Replies: 124
Views: 11,065
Posted By MEQinc
Not really. On Tsagalua an entire Legion appears...

Not really. On Tsagalua an entire Legion appears out of nowhere to ambush a grounded and unprepared one. On Calth part of a Legion suddenly betrays part of another. The Night Lords face a threat to...
Forum: 40k Fluff   01-12-14, 12:07 AM
Replies: 67
Views: 18,231
Posted By MEQinc
Ah, I had forgotten that part. That means he's...

Ah, I had forgotten that part. That means he's obviously not a Primarch (like thing) then.



And I'll do the same. Getting an organ transplant doesn't fix the disease that caused the organ to...
Forum: 40k Fluff   01-11-14, 10:59 PM
Replies: 124
Views: 11,065
Posted By MEQinc
I don't think we can say that with certainty. The...

I don't think we can say that with certainty. The Night Lords show disunity in the face of something no other Legion really experiences. We simply don't know how other Legions would react.



He...
Forum: 40k Fluff   01-11-14, 07:39 AM
Replies: 124
Views: 11,065
Posted By MEQinc
Wow, that was an epic brain fart. My bad. ...

Wow, that was an epic brain fart. My bad.

Right and the creation of that warrior cult had a huge part in their early success. But once they'd established it they didn't improve it to face new...
Forum: 40k Fluff   01-11-14, 04:52 AM
Replies: 12
Views: 1,217
Posted By MEQinc
Never. Talos kills M'Shen shortly after she kills...

Never. Talos kills M'Shen shortly after she kills Night Haunter and whilst Sahaal is otherwise occupied.

Also, Sahaal doesn't pursue Chaos. He briefly utilizes it before rejecting it completely.
Forum: 40k Fluff   01-11-14, 04:27 AM
Replies: 12
Views: 1,217
Posted By MEQinc
Sahaal began life in much the same way these...

Sahaal began life in much the same way these other characters did, someone wrote him in a story. The difference is that his story was a novel, not part of a codex. However, calling the only novel...
Forum: 40k Fluff   01-11-14, 04:18 AM
Replies: 67
Views: 18,231
Posted By MEQinc
My point was that being a prototype for the...

My point was that being a prototype for the Astartes doesn't require having all the same properties as the Astartes, in particular the progenoids.



Most Space Marine special organs (including...
Forum: 40k Fluff   01-11-14, 03:49 AM
Replies: 124
Views: 11,065
Posted By MEQinc
I've argued against this view earlier in the...

I've argued against this view earlier in the thread. Basically, there's no evidence that Russ' plan going in was to teach a lesson and lots of evidence that it wasn't. Further the lesson taught isn't...
Forum: 40k Fluff   01-10-14, 06:18 AM
Replies: 67
Views: 18,231
Posted By MEQinc
It's already well established that Thunder...

It's already well established that Thunder Warriors are in many ways prototype Astartes. That doesn't mean they have gene-seed.



1) It could be an early model of the reducter. An early model...
Forum: 40k Fluff   01-10-14, 06:06 AM
Replies: 124
Views: 11,065
Posted By MEQinc
Ah, but they also did things they weren't told...

Ah, but they also did things they weren't told to. The Night of the Wolf is an incident of Marine-on-Marine violence preformed entirely because the Wolves wanted to. They were not told to sanction...
Forum: 40k Fluff   01-10-14, 05:44 AM
Replies: 15
Views: 3,112
Posted By MEQinc
I agree. But that's the thing. There's already...

I agree. But that's the thing. There's already enough going on in the Siege to fill dozens of books, why do we need to add more?



"Why not" is not a very compelling reason for a story. Plus...
Forum: 40k Fluff   01-10-14, 05:36 AM
Replies: 8
Views: 874
Posted By MEQinc
It depends on what you mean by 'power'. In my...

It depends on what you mean by 'power'. In my opinion Chaos makes an individual far more powerful because it increases their raw output. Things like strength, speed and endurance all tend to be...
Forum: 40k Fluff   01-09-14, 06:29 AM
Replies: 124
Views: 11,065
Posted By MEQinc
Everyone 'came to heel' after the fighting...

Everyone 'came to heel' after the fighting stopped. What varied was when they considered the fighting to have stopped. Looking at it this way we can see that the Wolves are actually one of the more...
Forum: 40k Fluff   01-08-14, 06:56 AM
Replies: 124
Views: 11,065
Posted By MEQinc
Yes, lets. But this time, lets try to be a little...

Yes, lets. But this time, lets try to be a little less biased eh?

Exactly, perfection in everything they do. Every stroke, perfect, every movement, perfect, every tactic, perfect.
Doesn't really...
Forum: 40k Fluff   01-08-14, 05:05 AM
Replies: 124
Views: 11,065
Posted By MEQinc
Equipment is the easiest way to give someone an...

Equipment is the easiest way to give someone an edge over a specific foe. Motivation and psychology have a limited role in creating such an edge, especially between two opponents of such similar...
Forum: 40k Fluff   01-07-14, 06:21 AM
Replies: 41
Views: 3,877
Posted By MEQinc
Oh. Oops. I thought you were discussing how long...

Oh. Oops. I thought you were discussing how long it took them to get corrupted but you were actually basing the entire thing off the "mere centuries" bit. Now I feel foolish.

I'll point out...
Forum: 40k Fluff   01-07-14, 05:43 AM
Replies: 41
Views: 3,877
Posted By MEQinc
Well my point was that you can't assume Huron's...

Well my point was that you can't assume Huron's had more time just because his force is corrupted. It wouldn't take centuries. It wouldn't necessarily take years. So assuming Huron's had centuries...
Forum: 40k Fluff   01-07-14, 05:33 AM
Replies: 124
Views: 11,065
Posted By MEQinc
[COLOR=Silver] Where would you shoot a ship...

[COLOR=Silver]

Where would you shoot a ship the size of a city to kill it?



Sure, beheading via epic duel between demi-gods. Easy kill.
Forum: 40k Fluff   01-07-14, 05:11 AM
Replies: 41
Views: 3,877
Posted By MEQinc
So does the Black Legion, which has not grown...

So does the Black Legion, which has not grown notably since the Heresy, which is a far longer than the Red Corsairs have existed.

Plus, that requires that an entire Legion's worth of Marines have...
Forum: 40k Fluff   01-07-14, 04:58 AM
Replies: 10
Views: 1,450
Posted By MEQinc
Not necessarily. Lord of the Night claims that...

Not necessarily. Lord of the Night claims that several assassins were sent, the first being dispatched after the Night Haunter v. Dorn incident which is prior to (but likely not by much) the Dropsite...
Forum: 40k Fluff   01-07-14, 04:52 AM
Replies: 124
Views: 11,065
Posted By MEQinc
Sure. How many shots do you think it would take...

Sure. How many shots do you think it would take to kill a space ship ? Just because something is achievable doesn't mean its feasible.



Or he wanted to minimize injury. We commonly see the...
Forum: 40k Fluff   01-06-14, 05:42 AM
Replies: 15
Views: 3,112
Posted By MEQinc
Well, we know that Sanguinious dies on the...

Well, we know that Sanguinious dies on the Vengeful Spirit and we know that Ka'Bandha is broken at the walls of the Imperial Palace. So... ain't gonna happen.



What you're basically wondering...
Forum: 40k Fluff   01-06-14, 05:29 AM
Replies: 124
Views: 11,065
Posted By MEQinc
Obviously we know that Night Haunter and...

Obviously we know that Night Haunter and Guilliman survive the incidents of the book. My question was, is it plot (their stated later demise) that saves them from logical danger, or was it logical...
Forum: 40k Fluff   01-06-14, 04:43 AM
Replies: 124
Views: 11,065
Posted By MEQinc
There's nothing in that quote that suggests Russ...

There's nothing in that quote that suggests Russ 'intervened' because he wanted to change Angron's behaviour and world view. I think it's safe to say that Russ never planned to be forced to crawl for...
Forum: 40k Fluff   01-06-14, 12:43 AM
Replies: 33
Views: 2,987
Posted By MEQinc
The Orks can't be said to be encroaching upon...

The Orks can't be said to be encroaching upon humanity because they've always been there. The threat has never gone away. To this day some of the most brutal wars the Imperium has ever fought have...
Forum: 40k Fluff   01-05-14, 10:32 AM
Replies: 9
Views: 1,172
Posted By MEQinc
Hmm I guess that's changing with the new fluff. I...

Hmm I guess that's changing with the new fluff. I believe that it was Index Astartes that referred to 'worst possible' future. I think it might also have been mentioned in Lord of the Night. As far...
Forum: 40k Fluff   01-05-14, 10:25 AM
Replies: 124
Views: 11,065
Posted By MEQinc
Was that Russ' plan the whole time, or is that...

Was that Russ' plan the whole time, or is that what he went with after it became clear that he couldn't beat Angron? Did Russ really plan to sacrifice his men to teach Angron a lesson he was unlikely...
Forum: 40k Fluff   01-05-14, 09:30 AM
Replies: 9
Views: 1,172
Posted By MEQinc
Wasn't... wasn't that a firmly established part...

Wasn't... wasn't that a firmly established part of it? I don't remember a specific source because I feel like its mentioned every time his visions are.
Forum: 40k Fluff   01-05-14, 07:19 AM
Replies: 12
Views: 1,217
Posted By MEQinc
I didn't mean to suggest that he doesn't like...

I didn't mean to suggest that he doesn't like Sahaal as a 'person', just that he didn't seem to like him in general.

As far as absolutes goes, I really hope that's not the reason because it...
Forum: 40k Fluff   01-05-14, 07:04 AM
Replies: 124
Views: 11,065
Posted By MEQinc
None of the Legions would stop doing what they...

None of the Legions would stop doing what they were ordered to do. Some might hesitate in doing it or be reluctant to do it, but I'd say that varies more on a personal level than a Legion one....
Forum: 40k Fluff   01-05-14, 06:19 AM
Replies: 124
Views: 11,065
Posted By MEQinc
Well Angron is potentially superior to Russ but...

Well Angron is potentially superior to Russ but more importantly the Lion only 'won' their duel because Russ stopped fighting making it basically impossible to get any useful information about their...
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