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post #711 of 1276 (permalink) Old 08-14-11, 12:41 PM Thread Starter
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"I'm starting to get worried about the blue sections. Since the black will be filled with pink/purple starpatterns I might need something to fill out the blue parts with as well but I'm not sure on what just yet."

Time to start practicing painting shark shadows haha. Deep sea patterns on half, outer space on the other. Maybe throw some nice little starfish on him too XD. Nah I do think shark stuff would be neat though, since you seem to be able to paint birds well.

Personally, I'm not a fan of the contemptor dread model (I dont mean yours specifically, I mean I dont like the look of them in general), but perhaps you can make at least one that I like the look of. We shall see!
Not a bad idea. I might do shark shades in the blue colour, I'll have to play around with my pot of Ice Blue...

I like the contemptor miniature, the pictures of it are actually not making the miniature justice in my opinion.

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I am not sure about the red on the fingers mate. It works well on the bolter due to the fact that it is a totally separate piece on the Marine. It is obviously not part of his body, and there for the sharp contrasting color does a great job of drawing the eye and breaking up the focus. On the fingers of the dread however, they are part of the same structure and as such I think that painting them red might be to garish and distracting. I think that you might be better off using the lighter grey/blue that you used on the Marine's facemask to break up the overall dark tone of the piece. It will provide the contrast that you desire while still keeping with the overall color pallet.

The other thing that I wanted to mention is that the blue on the dread is not quite as bright in tone as the blue on the marine. In the case of the dread you are not getting the contrast between the two halves that you do on the marine model, and in that case I think that the contrast between the lighter blue and the black is what makes the color scheme so striking. On the dread both halves of the scheme are very dark and as such you are losing some of the distinction that makes the scheme work so well on the Marine.

Just my two cents.
I see your point. I want them to be dark and grizzly, they are Void Sharks after all, night fighting all out warfare marines with brutality in their blood. Yet at the same time I'm sitting on insider information so I'm not worried at the moment. The Necron Abyss base is dark and a simple Necron Abyss / Chaos Black quartered scheme would be underwhelming visually. I am however not content with those simple colour combinations, I'm taking them both up a notch by super highlighting the blue areas and infusing the Chaos Black parts with a purple/pink space pattern that for some reason is incredibly hard to take pictures off. Add to that later additions of details in other colours and battle damage and I think the piece as a whole will be visually interesting enough to pop out superbly.

If my words cannot convince you maybe these updated pictures can?


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Yeah, the pink/purple parts on the powerfist might not fit the realism part of the model. It depends on if you plan to use that color to represent power weapons across the board? Those are the parts that make the knuckles when the hand is closed into a fist, right? The ridges are the impact surface in a punch. So, I would think they either need to look rough and damaged from punching through armor or encased in an aura of glowing power.

If the pink represents the power aura of the PF, then once the armor plates are done, you'll need some reflected light on the surrounding plates.

The color scheme looks amazing and as always you have an accurate and smooth touch to your surfaces.

Can you briefly talk about how to get a smooth surface on the primed areas, or redirect me to to a section that talks about this?
I'm not sure what you're talking about regarding the smooth surfaces, you'd have to explain for me to give you an accurate description of the process.

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Wow it has been so long since I checked in with this log that it took me quite some time to catch up lol. Xeno, this is a stunning army with some amazing work, colour me most impressed.

one thing I want is the ability to split my fire everywhere, it makes no sense that a squad of 10 guard or marines or whatever all have to fire at 1 target with everything, is the guy with the lascannon not smart enough to realize maybe he would be better off firing at the massive tank looming overhead instead of the little man no bigger than a squat running at him, or is that far too complex for the 10yr olds?

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Those pictures, and progress, are made a big difference man. I take back my previous comments about the contrast between the blue and the black. The addition of further highlights on the blue and the infusion of purples into the black did wonders. Looking forward to seeing the star patterns and stuff on the black side.

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Void Sharks are looking good...nice to see the original idea finally reach fruition

On another note I saw your picture on the Forge World Facebook page. Pretty radical hair I must say

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I'm not sure what you're talking about regarding the smooth surfaces, you'd have to explain for me to give you an accurate description of the process.
I've had problems with my primer going on the model all gritty and rough. I've had to take a toothbrush to the primed models and scrub them down to where they are smooth. Otherwise, all those bumbs show through the paint.

Have you had this problem before? Know a good way to correct it?
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I've had problems with my primer going on the model all gritty and rough. I've had to take a toothbrush to the primed models and scrub them down to where they are smooth. Otherwise, all those bumbs show through the paint.

Have you had this problem before? Know a good way to correct it?
I believe whats happening in your case Jaysen is that the primer is drying before it gets to the model causing a grainy effect, I have had this happen before and believe its related to the temprature outside.

Xeno...WOW man, you really are doing a stunning job as usual, the blues and purple look wonderful man! I need to build my confidence up in painting vehicles!

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Wow it has been so long since I checked in with this log that it took me quite some time to catch up lol. Xeno, this is a stunning army with some amazing work, colour me most impressed.
Thanks, Wraithlord, always nice to see you've stopped by. Even though I'm a pretty slow painter I have been able to finish quite a lot of things recently. I'm only lagging behind in weathering and fluff texts at the moment.

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Those pictures, and progress, are made a big difference man. I take back my previous comments about the contrast between the blue and the black. The addition of further highlights on the blue and the infusion of purples into the black did wonders. Looking forward to seeing the star patterns and stuff on the black side.
There won't be any huge difference in the black parts. Just the occasional star twinkle and falling star where it's suitable. At least that's what I'm planning at the moment. I could go overboard and add planets and what not but I don't want to spend forever on this miniature

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Void Sharks are looking good...nice to see the original idea finally reach fruition

On another note I saw your picture on the Forge World Facebook page. Pretty radical hair I must say
Radical times. Old picture. Still have a very similar haircut though. At the moment it's my natural boring colour but I'm thinking of doing something with it soon...

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I've had problems with my primer going on the model all gritty and rough. I've had to take a toothbrush to the primed models and scrub them down to where they are smooth. Otherwise, all those bumbs show through the paint.

Have you had this problem before? Know a good way to correct it?
I don't use spray paint as primer at the moment so there's not much for me to say about spraypaints - sadly. I tend to use foundation paints for the first layer. I stripple it on in thin layers. I'm considering getting an airbrush though to use for priming and varnishing. So far I haven't gotten one of those though...

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Xeno...WOW man, you really are doing a stunning job as usual, the blues and purple look wonderful man! I need to build my confidence up in painting vehicles!
I'm glad you like him. I think vehicles can develop your skills quite a lot just because they are challenging with all the empty spaces. I've decided to go overboard on mine and freehand them - which is kind of the easy way out if you're good at it. I'd be a bit more reluctant to just paint them red and then try to weather them to a good look tbh

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Quite a lot of work gone into the dread now, but most of it doesn't show that much in pictures. I'm slowly trying to finish of the legs so I can secure the miniature to the base to facilitate the painting of the rest of the miniature. Right now there are only a few highlights left to do! What I've done is basically picked out specific details in the armour plate colours (blue/black) and done the metal parts on the legs as well (with loads of washes, looks really good IRL - not so much in pictures). I've also done a basic spacepattern on the shin armour (as you can see on the added picture on the side). I'm still considering if I should add any designations to the Dread (company number, words and such) - I'm not quite sure on where I want the fluff to go on these guys as far as that matter goes.

I'm also realizing that I'm going to need to varnish this piece but I have no good way of doing it (spray varnish is a bitch for me and painting on the varnish will disrupt the weathering)...

Anyway, here he is once again!


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The painting looks wery nice, I really like necron abyss for some reason, though it can't hide that it must be an alpha legionneire in disquise! :p

Oh, and the freehand work you have done has made me believe that it is going to look really awesome when you finish him, so you had best get to it!

Good luck, happy painting

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The painting looks wery nice, I really like necron abyss for some reason, though it can't hide that it must be an alpha legionneire in disquise! :p

Oh, and the freehand work you have done has made me believe that it is going to look really awesome when you finish him, so you had best get to it!

Good luck, happy painting
Necron Abyss is a strange colour. It's quite hard to get a grasp on unless you was it with Thraka Green, then it starts to behave like a normal colour. At least that's my experience with it. I'm glad I tried it out when painting my first librarian though, it's been a trustworthy companion since

I do have a secret crush on Night Lords (which are also blue) but I swear that my decision to alter the colour scheme has nothing to do with neither them nor Alpha Legion, which is not my cup of tea at the moment (things can change though, you never know).

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Painting has been slow. I've been in a rut feeling somewhat inadequate when viewing so many other talented painters work on the forums. Top that of with being on-call and not getting enough sleep and you start to fail at even the most basic painting task - at least that's how it feels. I did however finally get around to finish one of the old assault marines base & weathering and fluff, so at least that's one more 100% completed miniature.

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Assault Marine, Cnaeus, of the twin-feathered, of the 4th Company of the Brethren of the Phoenix.


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As far as the librarian goes I've started working on the details and I'm slowly moving on to the other parts of the miniature. Hopefully I'll have more time to spend on him this weekend. I really need to get him done, if only for my confidence!



And while simply mocking about I noticed the miniature I gave a two-handed chainaxe earlier (click here for previous incarnation). The critique I got from Midge stuck in there so I decided to alter him a bit, changing the pose and the legs. I think the result speaks for itself:


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I hope something in this update was to your liking.
Till next time

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Assault Marine, Cnaeus, of the twin-feathered, of the 4th Company of the Brethren of the Phoenix.
Looking great buddy!The purple glow on the axe seems to get better and better every time you apply the technique.

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As far as the librarian goes I've started working on the details and I'm slowly moving on to the other parts of the miniature. Hopefully I'll have more time to spend on him this weekend. I really need to get him done, if only for my confidence!

Details are looking nice. Only critique so far is that the silver on the chest eagle is a little glaring. I know that this is WIP but it the only constructive criticism I could come up with at the moment.

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And while simply mocking about I noticed the miniature I gave a two-handed chainaxe earlier. The critique I got from Midge stuck in there so I decided to alter him a bit, changing the pose and the legs. I think the result speaks for itself:
I had to go back and find the original in the thread, back on page 56 for those wondering, and I must say that this is much better. Conveys a much better sense of movement. I also read my comment and even though it wasn't much, I am glad it prodded you in a direction that you like better. Looking forward to seeing these guys finished up.

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