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post #191 of 384 (permalink) Old 06-05-15, 04:06 PM
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Yeah, I'm not really sold on them either. The main thing I don't like, is the vallejo brass or bronze. I find all of it far too yellow for my tastes. The contrast is especially stark between the shaded areas and the brass/gold highlights.

And even though Khorne's throne and all of his toys are made of brass, I have always used the old GW dwarf bronze as my trim color of choice. It's warmer and more red. It looks less chintzy.

I also have miniatures in a similar color scheme. Mine are essentially a dark bronze like warplock, but without the nihilakh oxide.

Let's stop for a moment and reconsider. What do you want them to look like? All of these tests are sort of going in the same direction, "gold terminators." And you don't seem satisfied with them. So what quality aren't you achieving here?
I prefer using some if the bright colours to drybrushes with then mute them with a wash or ink. This also helps blend the colours.

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I'd prefer a more subdued, slightly less brilliant brass coloration than gold. I suppose the difference is subtle.

I'm not sure at this point if I want them to be wearing well maintained, beautiful brass armor or some that has been tarnished by their time in the warp/harsh atmospheres of daemon worlds and such.

As for my problems with the drybrushing, I find that the transitions aren't really evident. Maybe I'm just layering too much paint on top of the previous color. And then, when I start edge highlighting, it sort of looks out of place on a model that has otherwise been painted with drybrushing. The GW scheme is to add a final layer of boltgun metal or other silver color. I'm going to try that just to see how it looks, but then I'm going to try the scheme I described at the end of the last post.

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Just doing some research into painting techniques, and I'm finding this guy VERY informative: http://massivevoodoo.blogspot.com/20...lic-metal.html

Great blog.


*edit2*

Just picked up a 4th Rhino for my new CSM squads from @bitsandkits ! Not a bad deal at all.


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@venomlust honestly, if you're using nihilakh oxide they should be tarnished, and the brass/bronze should be darker. It'll just look goofy if the oxide is on shiny models. And interestingly, apparently brass vs. bronze is passing out of historical usage because the contents are so inconsistent. So feel free to use a more bronzey color without offending the blood god. =)

When I did my last few daemon engines I was working from a similar idea. They would be mostly tarnished bronze with the high friction edges shiny, and oxidation accumulated in the crevices. All the leading edges are brighter, but I didn't go crazy with my highlighting. Using metallic paint means that it will catch the light pretty effectively already.


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@venomlust honestly, if you're using nihilakh oxide they should be tarnished, and the brass/bronze should be darker. It'll just look goofy if the oxide is on shiny models. And interestingly, apparently brass vs. bronze is passing out of historical usage because the contents are so inconsistent. So feel free to use a more bronzey color without offending the blood god. =)

When I did my last few daemon engines I was working from a similar idea. They would be mostly tarnished bronze with the high friction edges shiny, and oxidation accumulated in the crevices. All the leading edges are brighter, but I didn't go crazy with my highlighting. Using metallic paint means that it will catch the light pretty effectively already.

YES! That is exactly what I want! Thanks so much for sharing!


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Woo hoo! Glad I could help!

I also have terminators and chaos marines in a similar dark bronze scheme, without the oxidation. Let me know if you want reference photos of anything.

*Rummages around for images. Rummage, rummage, rummage*

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These are from my army showcase:


The main colors here are dwarf bronze (or the new equivalent, which is apparently hashut copper according to the conversion chart) over warplock bronze (or the old equivalent, tin bitz) I still have dwarf bronze in the old hex paint pot so I usually use that. I think on some of these guys I may have mixed Brass Scorpion with Sycorax Bronze to test out the new colors, and that was about even with dwarf bronze. I haven't tried out the hashut copper, but I might pic some up.

I was (and am) more than a little smitten with dwarf bronze as a color. It had a really nice luster and warmth, and it worked particularly well for Khornate trim.

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p.s. No photos of the terminators, bikes, or other regular chaos marines. Though poking around, they're not that great paint jobs. Clean and workman like but not very inspired. I'll still share though.

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Woo hoo! Glad I could help!

I also have terminators and chaos marines in a similar dark bronze scheme, without the oxidation. Let me know if you want reference photos of anything.

*Rummages around for images. Rummage, rummage, rummage*

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These are from my army showcase:



The main colors here are dwarf bronze (or the new equivalent, which is apparently hashut copper according to the conversion chart) over warplock bronze (or the old equivalent, tin bitz) I still have dwarf bronze in the old hex paint pot so I usually use that. I think on some of these guys I may have mixed Brass Scorpion with Sycorax Bronze to test out the new colors, and that was about even with dwarf bronze. I haven't tried out the hashut copper, but I might pic some up.

I was (and am) more than a little smitten with dwarf bronze as a color. It had a really nice luster and warmth, and it worked particularly well for Khornate trim.

Cheers!

p.s. No photos of the terminators, bikes, or other regular chaos marines. Though poking around, they're not that great paint jobs. Clean and workman like but not very inspired. I'll still share though.
Cool, I'd love to see them some time. Thanks again for sharing, that cannon especially conveys the colors very well.


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Girl Painter has a decent video for a color scheme similar to one I'm thinking of:



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I'm narrowing down the brass scheme, and just practicing some more.

Getting there:








Better: I like the red tint:







I tried something different with the nihilakh oxide this time, watering it down a bit and using a very fine detail brush. I like the result:






To practice something a little different, I've been working on some cultists. Getting all the basecoating done before I apply the washes and highlights:







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That Termie design is starting to look good toward the end. Maybe, get a little more picky about were the nihilakh oxide ends up. Otherwise, I think you've almost got it.

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That Termie design is starting to look good toward the end. Maybe, get a little more picky about were the nihilakh oxide ends up. Otherwise, I think you've almost got it.
Yup, I think so too! Thanks.


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