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Deus Mortis 11-06-10 10:09 AM

Anatheme = Daemon weapons?
 
Alright, so I was reading 'Horus Rising' the other day, and was reading the Interex's description of anathemes as made of "sentient metal" by kenebrek metallurgists, and are too dangerous to be taken out of interment. But they also (according to the Interex) capable of becoming the antithesis of whomever the energies of the wielder directs it at. Also the human delegate says that the way the weapons are made uses a technique that is not understood, and is now forbidden.

So, I got to thinking, could these be misunderstood daemon-weapons. My possibly reason for this is the fact that the human defence co-ordinator that Loken talks to says about their contact with the Eldar who warned them about 'Kaos' (a.k.a. Chaos), and, since it isn't made explicit which came first; the eldar warnings or the banning of the kenebrek metallurgy, I thought that possibly the not understood process might be binding a daemon (i.e. a sentient entity, making the metal sentient) to the weapon.

Yes? No? Maybe? Please give me your thought :ok:

ckcrawford 11-06-10 03:28 PM

Yes, the Anathema is considered a daemon weapon. From what I understand, it was used to mortally wound both Horus and Roboute Guilliman. Some evidence suggests that the blade was hidden in Calth and used to kill Daemon Prince M'kar. But besides the description of the weapon, nothing is certain.

I believe that the Emperor knew that their were alien races out there that were worshiping the ruinous powers and therefore sought to desperately to destroy them. Horus; not really understanding why the Interex couldn't just live in perfect harmony with human and alien alike, didn't really understand the true intentions of the Emperor. As we know he tried to hide the truth behind chaos from his Primarchs.

Further note though, though the Interex seemed to have understood well the powers of chaos, its still not clear to me what their intentions were? It seemed as though they were trying to prevent chaos from rising. The Interex Empire is still unclear and maybe so forever. It just seems pretty interesting that they were able to be uncorrupted with all the knowledge and items they had of chaos.

Pzycho Leech 11-07-10 04:57 AM

The Anathema was stolen from the Interex by Erebus, for the purpose of putting Horus in a fateful coma. Only such an advanced weapon could ever deliver such a mortal wound to Horus with a single strike. (Taken into account another Primarch later beats an Avatar with his fists, it sets the Anathema in perspective.)

I think the Anathema is a combination that often proves disasterous to the loyalists. Advanced technologi infused with the will of the the Chaos gods. The Anathema was, as I remember, designed to fracture, splinter, shred and leave fragments in the victim, only to replenish itself as if of living metal. A blade like that, if cursed, would not only leave fragments but parts of the curse in the bleeding wound.
As the Anathema was destined to bring Horus to a coma, which in the end would turn him against the Emperor. It's possible the Entities of the warp would take such interest in it. The Anathema was later given to Fulgrim, to seal their pact of treason.

On a random note.
I don't think the Interex worshipped Chaos in any way. They were afraid of the entities in the warp. I always saw the Interex as if they had been enlightened by Eldar. Remember the Imperium did not even acknowlegde Entities in the Warp at this time, and Loghain is warned against them by the Interex Officer. As they try to warn the other Marines. But the Interex fears the Spacemarines and their militaristic approach to all things, they wish not to barge subjects that dispute them easily. So to me, the Interex learned to harness the warp better and fear the Warp Entities. If that was the Eldar or the Kinebranch, I can't say. Though I think Eldar.


I hope any of this makes sense... It's 7 AM and I forgot to sleep. hehe

Serpion5 11-07-10 06:24 AM

The weapon is given to Fulgrim, and Fulgrim is later possessed by the entity within. So the anatheme is obviously a daemon weapon.

seb2351 11-07-10 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Serpion5 (Post 779518)
The weapon is given to Fulgrim, and Fulgrim is later possessed by the entity within. So the anatheme is obviously a daemon weapon.

I think Fulgrims fall to chaos was more due to the daemon with the sword of the Laer wasn't it? From memory, Fulgrim didnt get blade until he came to Horus on orders from Terra to check on his methods of Warfare. By this stage, the whisperings of the Laer sword daemon had become his second advisor in his head.

At least I think thats how it went

Pzycho Leech 11-07-10 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by seb2351 (Post 779526)
I think Fulgrims fall to chaos was more due to the daemon with the sword of the Laer wasn't it? From memory, Fulgrim didnt get blade until he came to Horus on orders from Terra to check on his methods of Warfare. By this stage, the whisperings of the Laer sword daemon had become his second advisor in his head.

At least I think thats how it went


You are correct. The Sword of teh Laer was possessed by a Slaanesh daemon. The Anathema is present in the Fulgrim book, but Fulgrim only wears it around Horus. Later he doesn't even do that...

((Spoilers about HH: Fulgrim))
Thought one would argue that Fulgrim never fell to Chaos, but his flesh was possessed by the daemon. Remember the horrible portrait that was painted of Fulgrim? As the story progress the portrait changes and becomes Fulgrim intact with the Daemon possessing him. In the end the daemon even claims it trapped Fulgrims mind inside his own body because the Daemon enjoyed how he screams and cries as the Daemon use his body to swathe through the Loyalist Space Marines. And specially as the Daemon killed The Silver Handed Primarch.

Child-of-the-Emperor 11-07-10 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Serpion5 (Post 779518)
The weapon is given to Fulgrim, and Fulgrim is later possessed by the entity within. So the anatheme is obviously a daemon weapon.

That was the Laer sword not the Anathame. :)

As for the Anathame being a daemon weapon, well we don't know - but I don't believe it's hinted at anywhere. The best clue we get is from A Thousand Sons where Magnus witnesses the creation of the Anathame blade. It's described as a 'Nemesis weapon' and 'sentient' and undeniably forged by aliens. But there is no hint to it being possessed. I think it's likely just to be some incredibly advanced xenos design.

randian 11-08-10 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Child-of-the-Emperor (Post 779654)
I think it's likely just to be some incredibly advanced xenos design.

A xenos weapon that just coincidentally inflicts plagues even deadlier than Nurgle's Rot on its victims. It may not be a daemon weapon, but Chaos definitely had a hand in its design.

Child-of-the-Emperor 11-08-10 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by randian (Post 780391)
A xenos weapon that just coincidentally inflicts plagues even deadlier than Nurgle's Rot on its victims. It may not be a daemon weapon, but Chaos definitely had a hand in its design.

Considering the technological achievements of some alien species in 40k, forging such a weapon should be easily possible without direct chaos involvement. It's perfectly plausable that chaos was indirectly involved, after all the Anatheme was part of their plans to corrupt Horus.

But I see no reason why we should write it off as being simply another weapon infused with chaos.

Serpion5 11-09-10 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Child-of-the-Emperor (Post 779654)
That was the Laer sword not the Anathame. :)

Damn, Derpy Serpy. :punish:


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