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Master WootWoot 11-03-10 08:40 PM

It often happens that some random guy calls me "Potato". I don't know how i can be like a potato. Like... A potato is grey-brown outside and yellow inside. What does potatoes and white people have in common that potatoes and other people don't?

Aramoro 11-04-10 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Jack Jack (Post 776391)
Agreed, of course.


What I meant is, there is no need to discriminate between [racism] and [homophobia] for exemple.

Both these behavior use exactly the same cognitif processes and biases and are harmful for the same reason, just not to the same people. But as all people are equal in value, being harmful to Steve is exactly like being harmful to Janet.

The distinction matters when you're looking at why things happen. People might be racist because of socio-economic reasons and the perceived effect of illegal immigration, say like Mexicans in the US. People might be Homophobic because Jesus told them it was bad. People might be sectarian because of happenstance in a long term conflict, like in Ireland.

If you're going to tackle these problems in society you need to define them properly first. They're very much like cancer, better to know what type of cancer you have before trying to treat it.

Aramoro

Professor Pumpkin 11-04-10 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Lord Sven Kittyclaw (Post 774250)
sort of seems like you took that statement out of context. Had you been saying your black? because most people that are black, are in a literal sense, brown, in terms of skin tone at least.

No, they just happened to make an observation for no apparent reason...

Jack Jack 11-04-10 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Aramoro (Post 777021)
The distinction matters when you're looking at why things happen. People might be racist because of socio-economic reasons and the perceived effect of illegal immigration, say like Mexicans in the US. People might be Homophobic because Jesus told them it was bad. People might be sectarian because of happenstance in a long term conflict, like in Ireland.

If you're going to tackle these problems in society you need to define them properly first. They're very much like cancer, better to know what type of cancer you have before trying to treat it.

Aramoro

Agreed.

Althought all forms of discriminations are equally harmful no matter what their sources.

There is no reason to combat racism more than homophobia or sectarism. All these causes are a priori as worthy as one another.

We are coming close to an agreement here.

Aramoro 11-04-10 02:33 PM

Oh I agree all forms of discrimination are harmful regardless of source. I just noted it as this is a topic specifically about racism. The whys and wherefores of racial abuse etc.

The different forms of discrimination all have different roots, and different roots in each society in which they happen. So they each bear discussing in isolation.

Aramoro

Jack Jack 11-04-10 03:07 PM

Yes and no.

You have to be careful not to cure one racism for another kind of discrimination.

Don't trade racism for discrimination against idiots, or criminals, or whatever you were accusing the object of your racism to be.

The problem is the hate. Not the mistake.

It's okay to think that all blacks rape women. It's no better or worse than think that X^2 = 4 if and only if X = 2. It's a mistake.
The problem is when you start hating black people. It would still be a problem in a possible world where all black people actually did rape women.

I'm starting to sound like a "hate the sin love the sinner" now.

search116 11-21-10 03:00 PM

Well as I am African -american I feel im subjugated to the word n***er and for some reason it sets me off like I threw a kid the last time someone called me that.

ROT 11-21-10 03:33 PM

I'm 1/4 German, and before i was big enough to take care of myself (In a school environment) I would constantly get called a Nazi.

Considering I was about 12/13, I was incredibly shocked about this; having everyone collectively insult you, it was my first experience with 'light' racism.

Luckily enough, In my school I'm not picked on, simply because I'm fairly big in comparison to anyone else in my school, and I'm in 6th form - so there's a general line of respect going up the school, and I fall into the well-respected age-group. :laugh:

But I do remember it being really shit, getting ripped on though, and can't imagine what it'd be like to be permanently insulted for race/background. - That's why I'm very against racism. (Y)

/Lifestory.

jimmy gunn 11-21-10 03:48 PM

I may be sticking my neck out here, but I do find that people seem to think only white people can be racist.

It seems to be ok for black people to call each other N***er and I've even heard it said to White and Asian guys, but always a black guy saying its.
say it back and YOUR the racist.

I also think its funny how we have the MOBO awards, BET TV and Black history month.

What if we had the WOBO awards, Wet TV or white history month.
I personally think there would be an outcry from all White/Blacks/Asians saying its racist to have these things.

I've also applied for jobs in the past that I was turned down for and I quote this 'As the advertisement stated the position is only open to people from the ASIAN community'.
what so a white or black man/women can't plant a fucking flower bed or rose bush.


If you ask me, I don't have time to worry about race, EVER-ONES a cunt until proven otherwise.:grin:

Jezlad 11-21-10 03:53 PM

Yeah I once went for a porn star position and was turned away for being Caucasian. They said they didn't see the need to state race with the minimum 12 inch cock requirement.

ROT 11-21-10 03:57 PM

You sure they didn't turn you down for having a small cock? :wink:

OrkByTheGraceOfGork 11-21-10 04:20 PM

Yeah, racism sucks. Especially if you're on the receiving end. It can also be demoralizing for the individuals who exact it. I'm only half white and I have received a fair amount of shit growin up especially from my dad's side of the family. It's true, it doesn't just come from the white folk, also. In the end you can't make people like you. It's an evolution you gotta roll with. People in general are dicks and if it's not race, they'll find something else to hate you about. I hate all people and races equally. On the other hand, I enjoy most races, cultures and traditions. I find them interesting. Most of them have something to contribute.

Louis CK had something funny to say about race. :)


ROT 11-21-10 04:49 PM

I can't decide if he's funny.. or a dick.

OrkByTheGraceOfGork 11-21-10 05:23 PM

Rot Rot Rot. I'll make up your mind for you. Louis CK is funny and that was hilarious! :laugh:

Check out his other stand up. :biggrin:

search116 11-21-10 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by jimmy gunn (Post 794211)
I may be sticking my neck out here, but I do find that people seem to think only white people can be racist.

It seems to be ok for black people to call each other N***er and I've even heard it said to White and Asian guys, but always a black guy saying its.
say it back and YOUR the racist.

I also think its funny how we have the MOBO awards, BET TV and Black history month.

What if we had the WOBO awards, Wet TV or white history month.
I personally think there would be an outcry from all White/Blacks/Asians saying its racist to have these things.

I've also applied for jobs in the past that I was turned down for and I quote this 'As the advertisement stated the position is only open to people from the ASIAN community'.
what so a white or black man/women can't plant a fucking flower bed or rose bush.


If you ask me, I don't have time to worry about race, EVER-ONES a cunt until proven otherwise.:grin:

Well if you remember (or know at all) the N word was used for a extremely long time as I guess it is ingrained in African american mentality. The n word was commonly used by poor whites in the south.

Emet, Paladin of Truth 11-21-10 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by jimmy gunn (Post 794211)
What if we had the WOBO awards, Wet TV or white history month.

I thnk we do have WET TV, but I don't think that's what you're thinking of...

jimmy gunn 11-21-10 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by search116 (Post 794353)
Well if you remember (or know at all) the N word was used for a extremely long time as I guess it is ingrained in African american mentality. The n word was commonly used by poor whites in the south.


What are you on about.
Everyone know's it was a slur used by whites in south American and most of the world for that matter.
How dumb do you think I am.

search116 11-21-10 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by jimmy gunn (Post 794373)
What are you on about.
Everyone know's it was a slur used by whites in south American and most of the world for that matter.
How dumb do you think I am.

Well one of your thoughts before hand was "It seems to be ok for black people to call each other N***er" and I was just trying to clarify and in no way to demean your level of intelligence .

jimmy gunn 11-21-10 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by search116 (Post 794402)
Well one of your thoughts before hand was "It seems to be ok for black people to call each other N***er" and I was just trying to clarify and in no way to demean your level of intelligence .

maybe I could have worded it a bit different, but I thought people would know what I was getting at.

Nave Senrag 11-21-10 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by search116 (Post 794353)
Well if you remember (or know at all) the N word was used for a extremely long time as I guess it is ingrained in African american mentality. The n word was commonly used by poor whites in the south.

It being ingrained in the African American mentality, is no excuse. Where I live, it is used as a positive term (such as buddy or friend) not only for any other African American, but even as a term for friends of other races. The word is also ingrained at least as deeply in the European American (? I can never figure out what the politically correct term is) mentality as it is the African American one. The problem is that it is either positive or negative depending on the race of the person who uses it, which is as racist as the terms original usage.

jimmy gunn 11-21-10 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Nave Senrag (Post 794558)
It being ingrained in the African American mentality, is no excuse. Where I live, it is used as a positive term (such as buddy or friend) not only for any other African American, but even as a term for friends of other races. The word is also ingrained at least as deeply in the European American (? I can never figure out what the politically correct term is) mentality as it is the African American one. The problem is that it is either positive or negative depending on the race of the person who uses it, which is as racist as the terms original usage.

Well someone got what I was saying then.
Mine was just a shorter version.:wink:


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