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Emet, Paladin of Truth 06-09-10 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack Jack (Post 650312)
People are stupid. They are idiots, really. They are so dumb that they do not deserve your hate, they can't help it. It's not their fault if they are so stupid, they are merely victims. You should help them however you can and feel good about it without expecting any kind of positive reinforcement on their part, it will make your world even slightly bette. Otherwise, you will be miserable for nothing. And people are not good enough to deserve that you suffer.

This, my friend, is a misanthropic argument for philanthropy. Or, if you will, a misanthropic argument against misanthropy.

There you go.

the highlighted part uses philanthropic reasoning ie: "they can't help it" implies value. a true misanthrope would not imply value "they can help it, the're just too WRAPPED UP IN THIER OWN SHITFUCKERY! to do so" (angry marines! >:C).

Jack Jack 06-10-10 12:56 AM

I think it still is a credible argument. I think a misanthrope could "fit" this kind of reasoning in the way he view the world. Maybe it would not stop him from hating people, but it would make him feel bad about it, ever so slightly. Therefore, he is a misanthrope- he hates all people- but he knows it's wrong.

Now if you tell me that a misanthrope necessarily thinks hating people is okay, then we are not talking about the same thing. If you are telling me a true misanthrope is okay about hating people, then I may think you are moving the goalpost, using the "true Scottman" argument.

Emet, Paladin of Truth 06-10-10 06:33 PM

mmm. I don't think so.

if he's really a misanthrope, he can only argue from a misanthropic stance, otherwise he wouldn't be a misanthrope.

again, using religion as an example, it would be like a jew argueing for a christian idea based on a hindu idea.

you I'm asking you to make a argue for a christian Idea based on a jewish idea- to argue for philanthropy based on misanthropy. really, you argued for philanthropy based on philanthropy

once you trim your arguement's fat and but it into form (taking out what you said that did not contribute to your arguement) you have:

1) It's not their(people's) fault if they are so stupid, they are merely victims. (philanthropic stance)

therefore:

2) You should help them(people) however you can and feel good about it without expecting any kind of positive reinforcement on their part, (philanthropic conclusion)

because

3) it will make your world even slightly better. (philanthropic stance)

4) Otherwise, you will be miserable for nothing. (philanthropic stance)

so you have a philanthropic arguement for philanthropy, not the misanthropic arguement for philanthropy you set out to make

Jack Jack 06-10-10 07:11 PM

I really think a philanthrope would not think of people as a stupid bunch.

I also said that it was a good idea to make the world a better place... for pretty much the same reason you clean your own house : living among garbage ain't fun. And that was the reason you are supposed to help people : because you are living among garbage.

I... really don't think it's a philanthropic argument : you don't love garbage, now do you?

bane-of-banes 09-09-10 07:43 PM

Edited by Morfangdakka Making stupid racist slang comments.

Putch. 09-16-10 02:04 AM

Well, I have a black Uncle, and quite a few friends of varying creeds and races, and yes I have experianced rascism, I have experianced rasicm for being white. All in all I agree with the first couple of posters, its ok within friends and where there is a line people dont cross. But in general I think rascists deserve a swift donkey kick in the nuts.

Emet, Paladin of Truth 09-26-10 10:59 AM

I gotta share this: my profile pic. on facebook is the same as my avatar- anonymous.

so, I'm playing poker, and this guy from Louisiana comes in and starts being a douche.

so I reprimand him, along with another.

so he calls her asian, and me... mexican?

and I'm like mexican!? where the hell did you get that? I'm not mexican! I'm about as far away from mexican as you can get!

Davidicus 40k 10-05-10 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Putch. (Post 730383)
Well, I have a black Uncle, and quite a few friends of varying creeds and races, and yes I have experianced rascism, I have experianced rasicm for being white. All in all I agree with the first couple of posters, its ok within friends and where there is a line people dont cross. But in general I think rascists deserve a swift donkey kick in the nuts.

"Racists" who oppose Obama, you mean? Or racists who think their race is better than another? Racism is a loaded word, no one wants to be associated with it, which gives the bleeding heart liberals a green light to throw it towards anyone they don't like.

loyalist42 10-05-10 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Davidicus 40k (Post 748029)
"Racists" who oppose Obama, you mean? Or racists who think their race is better than another? Racism is a loaded word, no one wants to be associated with it, which gives the bleeding heart liberals a green light to throw it towards anyone they don't like.

What, you mean like 'liberal' has become a dirty word conservatives throw out to describe anyone they don't like, regardless of that person's actual political ideology? Or even 'Obama', for that matter. Why even bring that up? Not even Democrats take that stance anything like seriously.

Davidicus 40k 10-05-10 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by loyalist42 (Post 748040)
What, you mean like 'liberal' has become a dirty word conservatives throw out to describe anyone they don't like, regardless of that person's actual political ideology? Or even 'Obama', for that matter. Why even bring that up? Not even Democrats take that stance anything like seriously.

No, Conservatives use communist/socialist. Liberal is a political ideology. Don't you remember when Obama was running? If you opposed him, you were a racist in some people's eyes. I don't think they were the majority, because if they were that'd be extremely sad, but it highlights the ridiculousness surrounding the topic of racism. I think most people have lost sight of its true meaning and some use it far too... liberally. For instance, confusing stereotypes with racism.

"All black people play basketball!"
"Wh... what? No they don't! You're racist!"

Except that's not racism. If it was something like "All black people steal", and the person saying it implied that his/her race didn't steal, then it would be. Or like the OP's example. He just randomly said "you're black." How is that racist? It's a fact. Depending on his friend, it could be considered insensitive - fine - but it's not racist. They had chicken and waffles afterwards (a damn good meal if you ask me) so it seems like his black (OOPS! African American!) friend wasn't too offended.


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