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Zion 04-30-16 06:47 PM

The Emperor, genetics and no female Space Marines
 
So as I typically do I was mulling some stuff over in my mind on the way to work and was struck by a random thought on why the Emperor needs to use the Y chromosome to make Marines. Basically it's because of something the gene has: a short leg. My thought is to minimize rejection, failure and catastrophic mutation the geneseed amends that short leg of the Y early in puberty basically making it an artificial X. The body is already geared to read that chromosome for puberty so it just reads the additional instructions on top of the base ones.

Also crossed my mind is that the switch for psykers is likely in the X chromosome since both sexes can be psykers.

Thoughts, or disagreements?

Iraqiel 05-01-16 05:44 AM

Possible.

I think it would be difficulty to justify the inability to create female space marines, but in the same way that speying a bitch is much more intrusive than castration, perhaps it's simply that they additional physiological stress on top of the already immensely harrowing insertion of the black carapace leads to a sufficiently high failure rate of candidates. The inefficiency has led to an all inclusive ban on the practice to save progenoid glands and time? Maybe this would then justify female space marines for chapters like the Crimson Fists, who are decimated and urgently need recruits no matter the cost?

In relation to the psyker gene; It may be linked to the gender chromosome, but there are a lot of other possible chromosomes that it could be a mutation of, or perhaps all mankind in the 41st millenium is not the same species as now, despite outward appearances? Perhaps the chromosome chains are sufficiently different?

Brother Armiger 05-01-16 06:47 AM

If I'm not mistaken, Space Marines aren't castrated. There's rogue Space Marines that have fled and started families of their own. Their children were healthy, big- but not 'astartes'.

Haskanael 05-01-16 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Brother Armiger (Post 2329194)
If I'm not mistaken, Space Marines aren't castrated. There's rogue Space Marines that have fled and started families of their own. Their children were healthy, big- but not 'astartes'.

I would love to know where you found that information

Brother Armiger 05-01-16 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Haskanael (Post 2329202)
I would love to know where you found that information


I can't remember where I was reading it, but I believe it was specifically about one Chapter hunting astartes that had fled to begin normal lives. If I find it, I'll share it.

But it's slightly less absurd than THEY CUT THEIR PENISES OFF!

Haskanael 05-01-16 08:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brother Armiger (Post 2329210)
I can't remember where I was reading it, but I believe it was specifically about one Chapter hunting astartes that had fled to begin normal lives. If I find it, I'll share it.

But it's slightly less absurd than THEY CUT THEIR PENISES OFF!

I just figured that the transformation into a space marine left the marines infertile

Brother Armiger 05-01-16 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Haskanael (Post 2329218)
I just figured that the transformation into a space marine left the marines infertile


I would hope it did.

Can you imagine the expectations of an Astartes dad?

"SON I AM DISAPPOINT"

And just imagine the ass beatings.

Serpion5 05-01-16 09:55 AM

I disagree. :P

Zion 05-01-16 12:50 PM

The reason I was figuring it was done that way was the need to add extra genetic switches telling the growing body that certain organs needed to be turned on, ect. Plus we know some generic tampering occurs since they end up often sharing traits with their Primarch.

Euphrati 05-01-16 02:59 PM

*lets out a long sigh and drags out her soapbox*

Out of everything in the 30/40k universe that people accept without question- all of the deamonic entities, xenos species, psykers with god-like powers, lobotomized human-machine hybrids, perpetuals, Primarchs, etc...

The fact that seems to come up for argument over and over again is that females CAN NOT be astartes.

Let me be clear here, the lore does not leave wiggle room: Astartes are, and can only be, male.

'But, but.. what if *insert whatever lore butchering left-field concept that the arguer has convinced themselves of*...'

No. Just, NO. The lore states directly that the process fails if tried on a female. Not sometimes work in rare cases. Not one in a billion chance. Fails - and fails catastrophically at that. Why does it fail? It fails because the process doesn't work on those who are genetically female.

Why is this so hard of a pill to swallow over all of the strange and bizarre facets of 30/40k? You want boobs on your army, got it... Sisters of Battle are that way :washim:. Yes, I know they need an update. I hope they get a glorious one sometime soon, with enough plastic models and bitz to choke a bloodthirster. The fact that their models are less than stellar right now is no reason to take a chainglave to nearly 30 years of established lore.

*kicks soapbox over*

Now, onto the second topic that has reared its head in this thread. Astartes and procreation.

The Crimson Fist book - Rynn's World touches on this topic. Apparently, one of the older chapter masters (Traegus) had attempted a breeding program with failed aspirants. It is noted in this program that only aspirants that failed early in the process to become astartes were viable for the breeding because after a certain point in the process (if they even survived failure) they were rendered sterile. This breeding program failed so spectacularly that is was not only abandoned but was banned from ever being attempted again.

Now, there are some Chapters that encourage their warriors to live among the people of their home world (Salamanders are a great example of this). These Chapters tend to emphasis protection of humanity and 'living' amongst the human population helps to remind the trans-human astartes of this mentality as it is apparently easy for astartes to 'forget' their humanity and view normal mortals with disdain.

From everything the lore hints at- astartes cannot breed (be that from lack of viability to lack of desire). But, the lore has notable instances of astartes becoming 'attached' to females in a protective sense. This can be seen in a number of storylines- from Ragnar (40k Space Wolves) to Argel Tal (30k Word Bearer). It seems that physical attraction and desire is mostly wiped out from an astartes through the indoctrination process and any lingering traces that remain convert into a fierce desire to 'protect' the female in question- much like a highly trained attack dog 'bonding' to a certain individual.


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