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Khorne's Fist 09-16-15 03:24 PM

Wolf King
 
Ok, this is the first time any of the BL hardback books has stirred my trouser area. Looks fairly substantial as well.

https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...3e&oe=56A2B108

http://www.blacklibrary.com/Images/B...leTakeover.jpg

Angel of Blood 09-16-15 03:41 PM

Wait what.....

Angel of Blood 09-16-15 03:42 PM

Does that look like Chris Wraight across the top there to anyone else??

forkmaster 09-16-15 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Angel of Blood (Post 2217402)
Does that look like Chris Wraight across the top there to anyone else??

I would say so too. I imagine it's the story of how Leman Russ escaped from the Alpha Legion between Scars and Vengeful Spirit.

Angel of Blood 09-16-15 04:05 PM

I hope so, with the Dark Angels, potentially under Corswain coming to their aid. But on the other hand, it may continue that ridiculous plot Mcneill started In Vengeful Spirit, of Russ going after Horus himself.

Khorne's Fist 09-16-15 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Angel of Blood (Post 2217402)
Does that look like Chris Wraight across the top there to anyone else??

Sadly it does.

Don't get me wrong, I like how he handles the Wolves, but I'd love to see Abnett do a proper follow up to PB, and undo some of the damage McNeill did in VS.

Angel of Blood 09-16-15 04:40 PM

True enough, but at leas it is Wraight. Not Mcneill again, or Swallow...

March of Time 09-16-15 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Angel of Blood (Post 2217418)
I hope so, with the Dark Angels, potentially under Corswain coming to their aid. But on the other hand, it may continue that ridiculous plot Mcneill started In Vengeful Spirit, of Russ going after Horus himself.

I think in one of the Horus Heresy novels it says that the lion was leading the Dark Angels when they saved The Space Wolves.

ckcrawford 09-16-15 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Angel of Blood (Post 2217442)
True enough, but at leas it is Wraight. Not Mcneill again, or Swallow...

Word. Looks interesting. Sounds like the story of my life. Looking forward to it.

Lord of the Night 09-16-15 06:57 PM

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It is definitely Chris Wraight. It has been years since they were about, but there were rumours about him writing the infamous Battle of Alaxxes.


LotN

piemelke 09-16-15 08:19 PM

cool, it seems BL is improving

Captain_Loken 09-16-15 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Angel of Blood (Post 2217442)
True enough, but at leas it is Wraight. Not Mcneill again, or Swallow...

You didn't like Vengeful Spirit?

Brother Lucian 09-16-15 08:30 PM

Leman Russ returns in a brand new saga that focuses on the Space Wolves' battle with the Alpha Legion, following on from the events of Scars.

Right from the email blast that just went out. Blabber im seeing, is saying its another LE novella. So probably on par with the second Tallarn novella in size.

darkreever 09-16-15 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Loken (Post 2217602)
You didn't like Vengeful Spirit?

Most people didn't Loken, since a number of portions of the book felt extremely throw away or outright bad.

Sevatar 09-16-15 09:47 PM

Oh look, another LE novella. I can't even summon the energy to get annoyed at these releases anymore. It's just meh.

Angel of Blood 09-16-15 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by darkreever (Post 2217634)
Most people didn't Loken, since a number of portions of the book felt extremely throw away or outright bad.

This.....and so much more.

But anyway, I wonder how Wraight will handle the Alpha Legion themselves if this is indeed Alaxxes and he does some from their perspective.

I'm disappointed though if it is a novella. Was hoping for a full length novel..

Captain_Loken 09-16-15 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by darkreever (Post 2217634)
Most people didn't Loken, since a number of portions of the book felt extremely throw away or outright bad.

That's a bummer. I haven't finished it, myself, but it's great to see Garviel again in a novel. (really the only reason I'm reading it). I have to agree with LotN's review, however.

Also, this may be another HH book that I will actually read. The battle of the primarchs are something everyone should read! I definitely won't be buying this by any means, however I may download the eBook and give it a shot. Even though I really dislike the Space Wolves.

Doelago 09-16-15 10:28 PM

Still in full Wolf mode after having read Ragnar Blackmane by ADB, so quite excited for this.

MontytheMighty 09-17-15 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Angel of Blood (Post 2217442)
True enough, but at leas it is Wraight. Not Mcneill again, or Swallow...

Some would say Fear to Tread is best book of the HH series?

Angel of Blood 09-17-15 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by MontytheMighty (Post 2217842)
Some would say Fear to Tread is best book of the HH series?

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Khorne's Fist 09-17-15 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by MontytheMighty (Post 2217842)
Some would say Fear to Tread is best book of the HH series?

Never saw a good word written about that book, either on here or anywhere else. Those "some" must live in a cave in the desert miles from an internet connection.

piemelke 09-17-15 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by MontytheMighty (Post 2217842)
Some would say Fear to Tread is best book of the HH series?

almost as good as the dawn of war series

Lord of the Night 09-17-15 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Khorne's Fist (Post 2217882)
Never saw a good word written about that book, either on here or anywhere else. Those "some" must live in a cave in the desert miles from an internet connection.

I have written good words about that book here.


LotN

Brother Lucian 09-17-15 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Lord of the Night (Post 2218138)
I have written good words about that book here.


LotN

think you missed the link, LoTN.

Khorne's Fist 09-17-15 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Lord of the Night (Post 2218138)
I have written good words about that book here.


LotN

Really? I gave you more credit than that.

Lord of the Night 09-17-15 06:26 PM

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Really? I gave you more credit than that.

How condescending. Did I say the book was perfect? No. It isn't.

But there were a fair few good things to like about it. The depiction of Chaos for one was brilliant, the Red Angel was a great character and concept, Sanguinius' relationship to his Legion and his choice of how to deal with the Flaw was very interesting, Mkani Kano and Meros were memorable and likeable characters (particularly Kano as I always wondered how a Librarian would feel about being demoted back to foot soldier), and Sanguinius's confrontation with Ka'Bandha and Kyriss was epic.

That and unlike most here, I don't hate James Swallow.

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Originally Posted by Brother Lucian (Post 2218146)
think you missed the link, LoTN.

By here, I mean Heresy Online.


LotN

Duke_Leto 09-17-15 06:30 PM

Vengeful Spirit would have so much better (and a more appropriate length) had that whole silent war Garro sub plot simply been axed. It just didn't sit comfortably for me. How is it on the one hand nobody knows what is going on or where the traitors are or what worlds or armies have joined Horus etc and yet on the other hand Garro and his merry men seem to be able to travel around with impunity and make sure they are in the right place? Or did I miss the sensible explanation of that?

Captain_Loken 09-17-15 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Lord of the Night (Post 2218178)
How condescending. Did I say the book was perfect? No. It isn't.

But there were a fair few good things to like about it. The depiction of Chaos for one was brilliant, the Red Angel was a great character and concept, Sanguinius' relationship to his Legion and his choice of how to deal with the Flaw was very interesting, Mkani Kano and Meros were memorable and likeable characters (particularly Kano as I always wondered how a Librarian would feel about being demoted back to foot soldier), and Sanguinius's confrontation with Ka'Bandha and Kyriss was epic.

That and unlike most here, I don't hate James Swallow.


By here, I mean Heresy Online.


LotN


I have to agree here.

Also, these 'most' that say that Vengeful Spirit is bad are quite interesting. I read your review of it, LotN and completely agree.

I understand some people not agreeing with people's reviews, but constantly saying 'most' people didn't like it kinda sounds ignorant. Everyone has their own opinions, so no one has the right to say 'they must be living in a cave no where near an internet connection'. You may feel that way and maybe a majority, but I'm sure there some intelligent people who like at least parts of the books in mention.

bobss 09-17-15 09:20 PM

I know this is off-topic, but... Fear to Tread may rightly have some redeeming qualities, but the bottom line in my opinion is that it wasn't ''good enough.'' Not by a considerable margin to be frankly honest.

If there are enough Fear to Tread supporters on this board I'd be happy to host a structured debate. It is definitely one of the most divisive novels of the Horus Heresy, especially now the Prospero Burns controversy has died down.

I understand the quality of literature is subjective and all that jazz, but I believe this novel can be slammed with crushing, almost irrefutable criticisms. And, hey, you never know, there may be some positives several of us have missed.

ckcrawford 09-17-15 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by MontytheMighty (Post 2217842)
Some would say Fear to Tread is best book of the HH series?

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/H2SuF9wxBjs/maxresdefault.jpg


Fear to Tread was undoubtedly and unbiasedly the most disappointing novel of the series. I feel the novel written about my legion was utter piece of shit, but I have to say, the plot and importance of the events in Fear to Tread were destroyed by shitty writing.

Captain_Loken 09-17-15 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Loken (Post 2218210)
I have to agree here.

Also, these 'most' that say that Vengeful Spirit is bad are quite interesting. I read your review of it, LotN and completely agree.

I understand some people not agreeing with people's reviews, but constantly saying 'most' people didn't like it kinda sounds ignorant. Everyone has their own opinions, so no one has the right to say 'they must be living in a cave no where near an internet connection'. You may feel that way and maybe a majority do too, but I'm sure there some intelligent people who like at least parts of the books in mention.

Lots of opinions from people thinking its fact.

darkreever 09-18-15 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by bobss (Post 2218250)
If there are enough Fear to Tread supporters on this board I'd be happy to host a structured debate. It is definitely one of the most divisive novels of the Horus Heresy, especially now the Prospero Burns controversy has died down.

I dont know about enough supporters, but personally I only have a few issues with the book to be perfectly honest

MontytheMighty 09-18-15 03:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Angel of Blood (Post 2217866)

My opinion is that it's garbage or at best a pile of bland mediocrity...but I remember some ppl actually love it

MontytheMighty 09-18-15 04:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Lord of the Night (Post 2218178)
How condescending. Did I say the book was perfect? No. It isn't.

But there were a fair few good things to like about it. The depiction of Chaos for one was brilliant, the Red Angel was a great character and concept, Sanguinius' relationship to his Legion and his choice of how to deal with the Flaw was very interesting, Mkani Kano and Meros were memorable and likeable characters (particularly Kano as I always wondered how a Librarian would feel about being demoted back to foot soldier), and Sanguinius's confrontation with Ka'Bandha and Kyriss was epic.

That and unlike most here, I don't hate James Swallow.


By here, I mean Heresy Online.


LotN

I think you gave it a very glowing review...your taste is your prerogative...it's just very different from mine

http://thefoundingfields.com/2012/07...ht-bane-kings/

Lord of the Night 09-18-15 06:39 AM

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I think you gave it a very glowing review...your taste is your prerogative...it's just very different from mine

http://thefoundingfields.com/2012/07...ht-bane-kings/

I'll admit that after a year or two, and reading newer Heresy novels, I wouldn't score it that high anymore. I would actually say now that Fear to Tread is about an 8.4/10, which to me is a Very Good book. I still think it's in the Top 10 Heresy books, but not the Top 5 anymore, due to new releases displacing it.

I may do a re-read soon and re-evaluate my thoughts.


LotN

piemelke 09-18-15 10:33 AM

I felt that the Signus setting had such enormous potential, Swallow should have done a LOT more with it, my disappointment with FTT is mainly the missed potential. Image ADB having a swing at it, I felt the BA were portayed as standard SM, but with red paint and anger issues, nothing more

Angel of Blood 09-18-15 03:24 PM

Please direct all other Fear to Tread comments to the following thread..

https://www.heresy-online.net/forums/...50#post2218850

And let's get back on topic please.

MontytheMighty 09-21-15 02:11 AM

Does anyone else feels that SW and AL are the most wanked legions on the loyalist side and traitor side respectively?

I wonder who is going to be portrayed in a more impressive light in this outing

Captain_Loken 09-21-15 02:55 AM

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Originally Posted by MontytheMighty (Post 2220450)
Does anyone else feels that SW and AL are the most wanked legions on the loyalist side and traitor side respectively?

I wonder who is going to be portrayed in a more impressive light in this outing



If you mean underrated, then yes. At least with the Alpha Legion.

If that's not what you mean, I am terribly sorry. Please let me know what you mean and I'm sure I will agree with you. Hah

MontytheMighty 09-21-15 05:06 AM

AL and SW...are underrated?


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