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Blood_Knight 01-09-15 10:10 PM

2000pt White Scars - Viable?
 
So i was just kicken around on my army builder, and was wondering what you thought of this list. Is it viable? competitive? and seeing as i just got into air brushing, a white army is actually paintable for me now. does it have enough armour punch, volume of attacks for hordes and the anti-air needed. tell me what you think.


Khan w/ moondrakken - 150pts
Command w/ Apoth, 2x Combi-Flamers, Fist, Banner, Bikes - 210pts

5 Bikes w/ 2 grav guns, fist, att. bike w/ MM - 225pts
5 Bikes w/ grav gun - 130pts
5 Bikes w/ 2 meltas, fist, att. bike w/ MM - 215pts
5 Bikes w/ 2 meltas - 135pts
5 Bikes w/ 2 meltas - 135pts
5 Bikes w/ melta - 125pts

StormTalon w/ skyhammer - 125pts
StormTalon w/ skyhammer - 125pts
StormTalon w/ skyhammer - 125pts

TFC w/ gunner - 100pts
TFC w/ gunner - 100pts
TFC w/ gunner - 100pts

2000pts

fatmantis 01-09-15 11:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blood_Knight (Post 2000146)
So i was just kicken around on my army builder, and was wondering what you thought of this list. Is it viable? competitive? and seeing as i just got into air brushing, a white army is actually paintable for me now. does it have enough armour punch, volume of attacks for hordes and the anti-air needed. tell me what you think.


Khan w/ moondrakken - 150pts
Command w/ Apoth, 2x Combi-Flamers, Fist, Banner, Bikes - 210pts
drop the flamers give these guy the grav guns can have more
5 Bikes w/ 2 grav guns, fist, att. bike w/ MM - 225pts
5 Bikes w/ grav gun - 130pts
5 Bikes w/ 2 meltas, fist, att. bike w/ MM - 215pts
5 Bikes w/ 2 meltas - 135pts
5 Bikes w/ 2 meltas - 135pts
5 Bikes w/ melta - 125pts
combine these squads in to full sqauds and combat squad them..or leave them in 3's and make more units..
StormTalon w/ skyhammer - 125pts
StormTalon w/ skyhammer - 125pts
StormTalon w/ skyhammer - 125pts
this is ok..
TFC w/ gunner - 100pts
TFC w/ gunner - 100pts
TFC w/ gunner - 100pts
as with this
2000pts

a few thoughts as a full revenwing player..small units make it more efficient..more target to shoot at killing 3 guys is better than a whole squad.
i would drop a talon and maybe a TFC and tack a Stormraven with bolter for the Stormwing formation.
the added punch really helps with the bikes
but a white scars army by itself is pretty good so go with it..bike armies are not very forgiving when it goes bad....it GOES REALLY BAD! takes a bit to get the skill of an all bike army but when you do they are soooooo much fun

Blood_Knight 01-10-15 12:13 AM

Oh wow, thats way more cost efficient! how about now?

Khan w/ moondrakken - 150pts
Command w/ Apoth, 3 grav guns, Fist, Banner, Bikes - 235pts

8 Bikes w/ 2 grav guns, fist, attack bike w/ MM - 278pts
Combat squaded into: 3 bikes, (with 2 gravs) and attack bike / 4 bikes (with fist)

8 Bikes w/ 2 grav guns, fist, attack bike w/ MM - 278
Combat squaded into: 3 bikes, (with 2 gravs) and attack bike / 4 bikes (with fist)

8 Bikes w/ 2 meltas, fist, attack bike w/ MM - 268
Combat squaded into: 3 bikes, (with 2 meltas) and attack bike / 4 bikes (with fist)

6 Bikes w/ 2 meltas - 146pts
could be combat squaded if i need to. if they do, it would be: 3 bikes (with 2 meltas) / 3 bikes

I set up the combat squading so that each squad has a roll. ranged and melee. effectively giving me 8 squads. 4 ranged, 4 melee.

TFC w/ gunner - 100pts
TFC w/ gunner - 100pts

StormWing Formation: 455pts
StormRaven w/ TL Las, TL MM, extra armour (what!? EA!? yeah, well i had 5 points i couldnt find anywhere else to use)
StormTalon w/ Skyhammer
StormTalon w/ Skyhammer


2000pts

forgefather 01-10-15 01:51 AM

I like your list I run White Scars. I don't run THC because they are to static for me. I do have 1 scout squad but thats to hold home objective. For 2k I add in a land raider redeemer because that's what I have. When I get a second talon it will replace the land raider. I have found that depending on the army you face is what size you want your bike squad. Horde Armies I split them up to give more targets in shooting. My list looks like this at 1750.





Kahn on Moondraken
command squad
Apothocary
champion
thunder hammer
power sword x2
storm shields x3
- 405

10 man scouts w/ camo cloaks 9x snipers and missile launcher
- 154

5 bikes w/ plasma x2
attack bike w/ heavy bolter
vet sgt w/ power sword
- 205

5 bikes w/flamer x2
attack bikes w/ heavy bolter
vet sgt w/ power sword
- 185

5 bikes w/ melta x2
attack bike w/ multi-melta
vet sgt w/ power sword
- 215

5 bikes w/ grave gun x2
attack bike w/ multi-melta
vet sgt w/ power sword
-215

3 land speeders w/ heavy bolters and typhoon missile launcher
- 225

storm talon w/ assault cannons and typhoon missile launcher
- 145

total- 1749

Blood_Knight 01-10-15 02:01 AM

I was just never a big fan of speeders. they can be gunned down with bolter fire. I do like the storm wing formation so they all come in on 1 roll, not leaving anything out.

The TFCs are static, but will provide much needed long range support that can deal with large numbers.

forgefather 01-10-15 02:08 AM

That's true too! I have never been a fan of THC so to each their own. It is a nice list and will work well. I run the speeders all 3 in a squad so if I go first I ca lay down a lot of missile fire into horde armies but the THC ca do that. I also use my speeders as fire magnets if they survive after the first round. Maybe I will try out a THC if I can borrow one I'm not buying it if I only use it once.

Blood_Knight 01-10-15 02:16 AM

Everything has its ups and downs. Unfortunately i think in such a low model count army you cant have much in the way of fire magnets, or throw away units. This list should be able to sustain some casualties, but it needs to get into combat or stay hidden, with Khans special rules and correct movement, i should be able to keep the bikes alive.

forgefather 01-10-15 04:23 PM

[quote=Combat squaded into: 3 bikes, (with 2 gravs) and attack bike / 4 bikes (with fist)[/quote]

As far as I know with bikes they have to be a combat squad at 5 bikes and 3 bikes with an attack bike. I don't know if you have 8 bikes plus attack or attack is included if it's included it has to be a whole squad to combat squad it if it is not part of the 8 bikes listed then you have the right number of bikes but miscounted in the description. So to combat squad it should look like 5 bikes (with fist)/3bikes (2 grav guns) w/ attack bike.

ntaw 01-10-15 04:45 PM

You got it, @forgefather , from the SM 'dex:

Quote:

Note that Bike Squads count as being at full strength when
they have eight Space Marine Bikers and one Attack Bike.
If split into combat squads, one combat squad will have five
Bikers, the other will have three and the Attack Bike.

Blood_Knight 01-10-15 04:57 PM

oh yeah. alright. well still. id combat squad them:

2x special weapon, attack bike, normal bike / 4 bikes and fist bike

still keeping it melee squad and CC squad

or would it be better to spilt the special weapons?


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