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The Final Frontier 10-19-14 10:06 PM

Could a Grail Knight become a vampire?
 
I know I've been asking a lot of questions as of late but I just can't help it. I hate Grey Area questions like this that just love to swim in my mind. It's been on my mind for awhile.

Could a Grail Knight become a Vampire(essentially becoming a good Blood Knight if that even makes sense) and still perform his duties? He be incredibly powerful, potential to match the Blood Dragon's founder combat prowess eventually over time I presume.

locustgate 10-19-14 11:44 PM

Grail Knights have longer lifespans than normal humans, they also have 'other gifts', but what these are are not mentioned, could just be stronger/tougher. I believe the second a grail knight would become a vampire, and it found out, he would either reenact Frankenstein or any number of (old) monster movies. Even IF a vampire doesn't hate humans they most definitely hate vampires, kinda like me and hummer drivers. Not to mention they may not be permitted to continue their duties by the Green Knight or Lady.

I doubt he would be more/as powerful as Abhorash. But the Blood Knights impressed him so he turned the ones that did into vampires and also may of done the same to the Red Duke, the book mentioned him being turned after he was poisoned after he managed to fight off a Arabi ambush single handedly. I doubt he would be 'good' but being chaotic neutral to chaotic evil is possible. Your best bet is lawful evil. I doubt he would kill vampires unless he dislike their feeding habits, i.e. draining people. I can see him hating chaos and it's spawn because they are abominations/pose a threat to food supply.

Ratvan 10-20-14 11:31 AM

I'm pretty sure that in the Bretonnia army book a knight meets a vampire that used to be a Grail Knight

The Final Frontier 10-20-14 09:55 PM

Where does it say that in the army book?

Vaz 10-21-14 10:09 AM

It's the Vampire 6th Edition Army book, detailing the blood dragons.

I cannot remember if it was a grail, or Fleur de lys however.

As mentioned, there are many boons to being a Grail Knight - but rarely documented. It may well include protection against Vampirism - after all, there's no documented Dwarf or in particular, elf, Vampire that I'm aware of. With old, old elf magic, deriving from Isha, the mother, and giver of life blah, blah, being the influence behind the Breton magic which is the basis of the Grail might well protect those who drink from the grail.

I'd think it's unlikely, and especially unlikely to be able to stand against Abhorash. This mother fucker is around 4300+ years old. Something from the old Liber Necris book IIRC, is that not only is the older the vampire the more powerful, but it is also the older the generation (i.e, each blood kiss is a new generation, so those of Abhorash's get are the second generation, and those who are bitten by his spawn are third etc), and having recieved the elixir of nagash which is what created him as a vampire making him extremely powerful.

You then add that onto someone whose natural lifespan was that in the hundreds (as the aristocracy of Lahmia and Khemri at large was already), as opposed to the mid sixties in the case of Bretonnia before becoming a Grail Knight, and realise that Abhorash would have been fighting against Badlands Orcs back when they were a true threat (back in Sigmar's day) as well as Southlands Lizardmen, as well as probably Cathayan armies, and it's apparent that a Breton Grail Knight would rarely have the experience to survive such an onslaught - while it's not a particularly good example of such, as it's more hero hammer, but Gotrek and Felix were barely able to withstand a Vampire in Vampireslayer, despite Gotrek being essentially Grungni reborn.



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locustgate 10-22-14 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Vaz (Post 1932450)
while it's not a particularly good example of such, as it's more hero hammer, but Gotrek and Felix were barely able to withstand a Vampire in Vampireslayer, despite Gotrek being essentially Grungni reborn.

In his defense Grungni is only the god of smithing and mining.

The Final Frontier 10-22-14 01:56 AM

Kinda getting off topic like usual in my threads..lol

There isn't much fluff on Grail Knight are there?

Isn't there an undead grail knight?

locustgate 10-22-14 02:55 AM

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Originally Posted by The Final Frontier (Post 1933298)
Kinda getting off topic like usual in my threads..lol

There isn't much fluff on Grail Knight are there?

Isn't there an undead grail knight?

Wouldn't really count it off topic if someone points one thing out, now if he and I went into a five post argument then it would be off topic......

Yeah, Red Duke, he raised knights and grail knights for his army, the first and second attempt to destroy Bretonia. The second time he tried to desecrate a graveyard to raise a large concentration of grail knights
The cursed city.......forget the name mentions the dead constantly rising.

Vaz 10-22-14 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by locustgate (Post 1933234)
In his defense Grungni is only the god of smithing and mining.

To be honest, I did mean to say Grimnir, always get my Dwarf Ancestor Gods mixed up.

And the Red Duke was just a Knight of the Realm according to the internet, not a Grail Knight.



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locustgate 10-22-14 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Vaz (Post 1933458)
To be honest, I did mean to say Grimnir, always get my Dwarf Ancestor Gods mixed up.

And the Red Duke was just a Knight of the Realm according to the internet, not a Grail Knight.

Yeah, but he raised them as black knights. In the book, 2nd attempt he turned a man that almost finished the grail quest, he abandoned it "as the grail was in sight", do to his family being killed by raiders.


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