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Themidgetman14 08-05-14 05:23 PM

Vanguard Veterans
 
I have decided to purchase a 5 man vanguard veteran squad and I was wondering if storm shield were worth the points. The reason why I'm asking is because is it really worth losing an extra attack or not. The weapons would be sergeant relic blade, power sword, power axe, thunder hammer and a pair of lightning claws (which obviously wouldn't include a storm shield. Does anyone have any experience with this?

MidnightSun 08-05-14 07:22 PM

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I recently played a small game against a guy who had 5 Vanguard with Relic Blade on the Sergeant, 4 Thunder Hammers, Storm Shields and Jump Packs. They wiped my Warlord's unit, running it down in melee, since the Boyz weren't high enough strength/in enough numbers to hurt them too much and the Power Klaw just skidded off them (and they rolled quite high, to be fair).

They're extremely expensive, and I'm not sure you'd need the whole squad armed that way, but they're fairly effective when used as a scalpel unit, or to murderate something that's broken through your line and is threatening the rest of your army.

Themidgetman14 08-05-14 08:00 PM

Cheers that's a very good point

Sethis 08-05-14 08:40 PM

You know what a Storm Shield gives you? A 3+ save. You know what a 14pt Marine has? Yeah. A 3+ save.

So a boltgun kills a 50pt Vanguard Marine with Hammer and Shield just as easily as a 14pt Tac Marine, which is why I don't like Vanguard very much at all, specially since they lost the ability to hide in melee the turn they arrived.

MidnightSun 08-05-14 09:10 PM

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On the other hand, a Nob with Power Klaw drastically evens a combat in favour of the Orks who can struggle with Marines if they're charged, while a Power Klaw is likely to bounce off Storm Shields.

Toe be honest, when a Vanguard with Storm Shield costs more than an Assault Terminator with the a 2+ armour save and a Thunder Hammer, you really need to think about how much you need the mobility offered by a Jump Pack and whether the thing you want them to fight can't be killed by something else.

ntaw 08-06-14 02:09 AM

Murderate! That's and instant classic :laugh:

Add to Vanguard the ability to Sweeping Advance if you're comparing them to Assault Terminators.

fatmantis 08-06-14 02:25 AM

as most people have stated is the cost..and comparison...but as usual nobody has add tactics or strategy..
my question is..what is their job? what do you hope them do accomplish? are they support?front line combatants etc..
the reason i ask is i never tell people not to use any model..yes some model are better but my belief is if yuo tool them right and in the right numbers and have a sound strategy for them go for it...
my only things would be
:a getting the numbers of troops right...5 is too little..7-8 is probably about right..
b: give them the weapons need for the job they are intendend for

the other thing i would suggest is giving them a chaplin..just for the rerolls on the combat..they are an expensive unit so youll want maximum amount of damage output

Tugger 08-06-14 02:37 AM

They seem kind of like Chosen to me. If you gear them up, they can be a devastating precision strike unit, just like MidnightSun was saying. But as the player you gotta determine if that outweighs the exorbitant price cost. If terminators can fill the same role, and last longer, AND cost less, why not take terminators and either add in more models to your army/upgrades to other units?

Just my two cents. Take it with a grain of salt though, last time I had a SM army was 4th ed. So I may have no idea what I am talking about.

ntaw 08-06-14 02:54 AM

Personally I think I would play Vanguard Vets out of a Land Raider or Stormraven kitted with 3x Lightning Claws, 2x Power Axes, and Storm Shields for all. 220 points seems reasonable for a 3++ squad of AP3/AP2 attacks that can Sweep, and either delivery system has their own uses to offer.

Tugger 08-06-14 03:00 AM

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Originally Posted by ntaw (Post 1841346)
Personally I think I would play Vanguard Vets out of a Land Raider or Stormraven kitted with 3x Lightning Claws, 2x Power Axes, and Storm Shields for all. 220 points seems reasonable for a 3++ squad of AP3/AP2 attacks that can Sweep, and either delivery system has their own uses to offer.

Completely forgot that a SS is 3++. That point cost is absolutely worth it for that survivability IMO.


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