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McManiac 02-07-14 03:33 PM

Noise Marines 1850- noncompetitive
 
HQ: 330pts
Lucius the Eternal 165pts

Chaos lord 165pts
Chaos Bike
2x lighting claws
Sigil of corruption
Gift of mutation
Mark of S

Troop: 666pts
-Noise Marines x8 294pts
8x extra CCW
Icon of excess
Vet of the Long War
-Champ.
Power Sword
Melta Bomb
Doom Siren
-Rhino
Dozer Blade
Dirge Caster
Combi-bolter

-CSM x9 222pts
Plasma Gun
Missile Launcher
-Champ.
-Rhino
Dozer Blade
Havoc Launcher

-Cultists x9 84pts
Heavy Stubber
8x Autoguns
Mark of N
-Champ.
Shotgun

-Cultists x9 66pts
Flamer
8x CCW & Autopistol
Mark of S
-Champ.
Shotgun

Elite: 238pts
-Terminators x5 238pts
Reaper Autocannon
Power Maul
2x Power Axe
2x Power Sword
4x Combi-Bolter
Mark of T
-Champ.
Power Sword
Combi-Bolter

Fast Attack: 197pts
-Chaos Bike x4 197pts
2x Meltaguns
Mark of S
Icon of Excess
Vet of the Long War
-Champ.
Melta bomb
Power Sword

Heavy Support: 425pts
-Defiler 232pts
Twin-Linked Lascannon
Warp Gargoyles
Havoc Launcher

-Havocs x5 193pts
2x Autocannon
Missile Launcher
Flakk Missile
Lascannon
Mark of N
Icon of Veng
-Champ.


This is not a competitive list, I'm playing with some friends so I still want to win. Thoughts are appeased.

Coyote77 02-08-14 03:50 AM

One squad of Noise Marines does not exactly make it a Noise Marine list. No Blast Masters or Sonic Blasters make me think this is really a Not-Noise Marine list. Did you just take them for the mark or something?

Uveron 02-08-14 01:12 PM

I know you said this is 'Noncompetitive' so I will only pick on the really 'poor' parts of the list! (Not that their is a huge amount, it looks a fun list)

Quote:

Originally Posted by McManiac (Post 1560201)
HQ: 330pts
Chaos lord 165pts
Chaos Bike
2x lighting claws
Sigil of corruption
Gift of mutation
Mark of S

Drop the Second LC, and grab a power fist! you still get +1 attack and you get the choice of shreading or 'smashing!'

Troop: 666pts
-Noise Marines x8 294pts
8x extra CCW
Icon of excess
Vet of the Long War
-Champ.
Power Sword
Melta Bomb
Doom Siren
-Rhino
Dozer Blade
Dirge Caster
Combi-bolter


-CSM x9 222pts
Plasma Gun
Missile Launcher
-Champ.
-Rhino
Dozer Blade
Havoc Launcher

-Cultists x9 84pts
Heavy Stubber
8x Autoguns
Mark of N
-Champ.
Shotgun

You dont need the mark on the cultists, not worth the points in my book, save it and get more cultists

-Cultists x9 66pts
Flamer
8x CCW & Autopistol
Mark of S
-Champ.
Shotgun

You dont need the mark on the cultists, not worth the points in my book, save it and get more cultists

Elite: 238pts
-Terminators x5 238pts
Reaper Autocannon
Power Maul
2x Power Axe
2x Power Sword
4x Combi-Bolter
Mark of T
-Champ.
Power Sword
Combi-Bolter

Drop the Power Maul, its useless! otheriwise looks good. (Combi-Plas or melta could work better for you in place of the combi-bolter

Fast Attack: 197pts
-Chaos Bike x4 197pts
2x Meltaguns
Mark of S
Icon of Excess
Vet of the Long War
-Champ.
Melta bomb
Power Sword

With the lord this will be a nice unit. I would look at finding the points for a combi-melta on the Champ. and note you can replace the boters on the bikes, so they still get +1 attack in CC

Heavy Support: 425pts
-Defiler 232pts
Twin-Linked Lascannon
Warp Gargoyles
Havoc Launcher

Drop the Havoc, you cannot use it at the same time as the battle cannon. Same goes with the Lascannon although you can snap fire it, it still needs 6's so may as well get a autocannon that will allow you to shoot twice.

-Havocs x5 193pts
2x Autocannon
Missile Launcher
Flakk Missile
Lascannon
Mark of N
Icon of Veng
-Champ.

Icon of Vengace is a bit pricey but if you are woried about them running away I understand, could be removed to free up some points. I also would look about giving the same Hevey wepon to the whole squad, as they have to fire at the same target, the Autocannons would be useless against things you need the Lascannon for.


This is not a competitive list, I'm playing with some friends so I still want to win. Thoughts are appeased.


McManiac 02-08-14 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coyote77 (Post 1561329)
One squad of Noise Marines does not exactly make it a Noise Marine list. No Blast Masters or Sonic Blasters make me think this is really a Not-Noise Marine list. Did you just take them for the mark or something?

I see what you mean I was thinking of switching out the CSM unit with A unit of Noise Marine SB and BM.

McManiac 02-08-14 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Uveron (Post 1561777)
I know you said this is 'Noncompetitive' so I will only pick on the really 'poor' parts of the list! (Not that their is a huge amount, it looks a fun list)

I will look into changing out those other things you pointed out and will be dropping the marks on the cultists. I have one thing tho...

"Drop the Havoc, you cannot use it at the same time as the battle cannon. Same goes with the Lascannon although you can snap fire it, it still needs 6's so may as well get a autocannon that will allow you to shoot twice."
-From what I have read in the big rule book walkers and ordnance weapons work fine together. I have heard this before tho. This is my understanding of it with page numbers from the book to back me up.
Ordnance Weapons: "if a non-vehicle model fires an Ordnance weapon, ...the model cannot fire other weapons that phase." 51pg.
Walkers: (listed under the vehicles section) "A Walker that moved can still fire all of its weapons in the subsequent Shooting phase" 84pg.
With these two rules it seems like to me the Defiler can fire all it's weapons even the battle canon. Unless this has been FaQed and I missed it. I'm not trying to be rude or a rule book thumper either, it's just how I see the rules read in conjunction.

McManiac 02-08-14 08:19 PM

Thank you for your points I will look into changing those.

McManiac 02-10-14 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Uveron (Post 1561777)
I know you said this is 'Noncompetitive' so I will only pick on the really 'poor' parts of the list! (Not that their is a huge amount, it looks a fun list)

Thank you so I reworked some points and dropped and picked up some stuff.


HQ: 340pts
Lucius the Eternal 165pts

Chaos lord 175pts
Chaos Bike
lighting claws
Power fist
Sigil of corruption
Gift of mutation
Mark of S

Troop: 754pts
-Noise Marines x8 294pts
8x extra CCW
Icon of excess
Vet of the Long War
-Champ.
Power Sword
Melta Bomb
Doom Siren
-Rhino
Dozer Blade
Dirge Caster
Combi-bolter

-Noise Marines x9 337pts
2x Blastmaster
7x sonic blaster
VoTLW
-Champ.
Doom Siren
-Rhino
Dozer Blade
Havoc Launcher

-Cultists x9 66pts
Heavy Stubber
8x Autoguns
-Champ.
Shotgun

-Cultists x9 57pts
Flamer
8x CCW & Autopistol
-Champ.
Shotgun

Elite: 383pts
-Terminators x5 238pts
Reaper Autocannon
2x Power Axe
3x Power Sword
2x Combi-Bolter
Combi-Flamer
Combi-Melta
Mark of T
-Champ.
Power Sword
Combi-Bolter

-Helbrute 135pts
Twin-linked lascannon
Missile launcher

Fast Attack: 207pts
-Chaos Bike x4 207pts
2x Meltaguns
Mark of S
Icon of Excess
Vet of the Long War
-Champ.
Combi-Melta
Melta bomb
Power Sword

Heavy Support: 166pts
-Havocs x4 166pts
Autocannon
Missile Launcher
Flakk Missile
2x Lascannon
Mark of N
VoTLW
-Champ.

McManiac 02-11-14 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Uveron (Post 1561777)
I know you said this is 'Noncompetitive' so I will only pick on the really 'poor' parts of the list! (Not that their is a huge amount, it looks a fun list)

Thank you for the advice this I reworked my list with it in line.

HQ: 340pts
Lucius the Eternal 165pts

Chaos lord 175pts
Chaos Bike
lighting claws
Power fist
Sigil of corruption
Gift of mutation
Mark of S

Troop: 754pts
-Noise Marines x8 294pts
8x extra CCW
Icon of excess
Vet of the Long War
-Champ.
Power Sword
Melta Bomb
Doom Siren
-Rhino
Dozer Blade
Dirge Caster
Combi-bolter

-Noise Marines x9 337pts
2x Blastmaster
7x sonic blaster
VoTLW
-Champ.
Doom Siren
-Rhino
Dozer Blade
Havoc Launcher

-Cultists x9 66pts
Heavy Stubber
8x Autoguns
-Champ.
Shotgun

-Cultists x9 57pts
Flamer
8x CCW & Autopistol
-Champ.
Shotgun

Elite: 383pts
-Terminators x5 238pts
Reaper Autocannon
2x Power Axe
3x Power Sword
2x Combi-Bolter
Combi-Flamer
Combi-Melta
Mark of T
-Champ.
Power Sword
Combi-Bolter

-Helbrute 135pts
Twin-linked lascannon
Missile launcher

Fast Attack: 207pts
-Chaos Bike x4 207pts
2x Meltaguns
Mark of S
Icon of Excess
Vet of the Long War
-Champ.
Combi-Melta
Melta bomb
Power Sword

Heavy Support: 166pts
-Havocs x4 166pts
Autocannon
Missile Launcher
Flakk Missile
2x Lascannon
Mark of N
VoTLW
-Champ.

Also I reread the rules of ordanence and walkers and sad Defiler.
Thank you again.

Uveron 02-12-14 12:30 PM

Ok, another round of comments, a few things I didn't spot before, or other changes I think you should make.

Quote:

Originally Posted by McManiac (Post 1566937)
Thank you for the advice this I reworked my list with it in line.

-Helbrute 135pts
Twin-linked lascannon
Missile launcher

Iam not sure about this. I know the loyalists can pull this set up off, but with the chance of the crasy rush into CC, I feel its almost worth preparing to get them stuck in. In my (Limited) experience I have found them to do very well in CC, so I would drop the ML. The Lascannon is good you are short on AV 14 killers so its a good addition to the force

Heavy Support: 166pts
-Havocs x4 166pts
Autocannon
Missile Launcher
Flakk Missile
2x Lascannon
Mark of N
VoTLW
-Champ.

Its a better set up than before, I think my biggest concren is with the lone Flakk Missile, one skyfire shot isnt going to change the game and you will be snap shooting the rest of the squad, if you have to keep your wepon choice mixed becuse of model availability I would drop the Flakk. Personaly I would drop the Lascannons for more Autocannons and if if you can find 100pts for some agis defence line with a quad cannon, but that squad with the havoc's and if you do need to shoot a flyer thats 4 skyfire Autocannon shots and a pile of snap shots

Also I reread the rules of ordanence and walkers and sad Defiler.
Thank you again.

And Yes, the Defiler is very sad this edition. Mine is becoming a Soul Grinder and its cannot turret a fortification, a starch built Vengeance Weapons Battery most likey.


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