Originally Posted by Achaylus72
2, now a non-7th Edition starter set of Blood Angels and Orks, which on first look has the Orks at a real disadvantage in points.
Points disadvantages are pretty normal. Team Chaos in Dark Vengeance is ridiculously weak. Team Dark Eldar in the 3rd Edition Set was also ridiculously weak.
But it's possible that the boxed set is 5 man squads for the Assault and Tactical, not the full ten-man. If you drop the set down to 15 Marines (including a "double sized" kit like Assault Marines) and 2 character models (1 extra for LE), then it becomes more realistic and comparable to previous editions like AoBR, BFM and AoBR.
Originally Posted by bitsandkits
s, people (including me) said GW would never release a starter set with chapter specific marine in it, well we know how that turned out
I was one of those people at first, and then it made complete sense. I posted about it on B&C the other day. Blood Angels are different enough from Dark Angels, but also not so generic that the boxed set is too attractive.
Why would you not want it to be too attractive? Simple. The boxed set is more expensive to put together than a regular kit. It has all kinds of other stuff in it, and is wasteful. The biggest "problem" with AOBR, and why I think they went with DA for the DV set, was that AOBR was way too good of a deal. You could use the "Ultramarines" in it to be any
chapter, and EBay was always flooded with the models from it being sold as individual lots. Meanwhile think of how many discarded rulebooks, templates, dice, etc that meant.
It was incredibly wasteful, from both an environmental perspective and from a business perspective. If all people wanted were the models, the profit potential is higher if you can just get them to buy the models by themselves. With DV, the set does what it is supposed to. It serves as a starter kit. Sure, there are people still buying it for the models, but I'd guess the volume of DV sets being moved is far lower than AoBR sets.
I think the volume of the box contents seem a bit exaggerated with the idea of there being 70-something. If there's an Orkification in it, it's going to be something fairly small. Think more along the lines of the crashed lander from BFM.