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unxpekted22 12-14-13 08:55 AM

Marines and water
 
Can space marines swim in power armor?

Those suits are a tad heavy.

The fifth edition space wolf codex mentions their assault on an underwater Tau mining facility: the battle of Kvariam Alpha.

Seems to express that power armor can function underwater, but can they swim in it?

Wondering if there are any other mentions or examples.

Jacobite 12-14-13 09:19 AM

Well that rather trite piece of fluff seems to say that they don't swim but instead just simply sink to the bottom and fight as they normally (completely ignoring that they would be kicking up all sorts of sand and silt whenever they took a step). We can therefore assume that bolters work underwater as well? How about special weapons? Heavys?

As somebody who scuba dives that piece of fluff irritates me. A lot. They might possibly be able to use some sort of inflation device to allow them to manipulate their bouancy but even then without fins they won't be moving in a forward direction at anything more than a pace similar to a snail pulling a truck. Short of a full on purpose built pack akin to a jump pack then swimming is out. Full stop. Not going to happen.

Then again we are talking about a codex that has space marines taking Thunderhawks for joy rides so why I am not surprised.

Old Man78 12-14-13 09:30 AM

One of the Space Wolf novels has Ragnar Blackmane swimming in power armour cannot remember which. To be honest the amount of shite fluff for space marines is getting a bit much, yeah yeah it is a fantasy world I hear you cry but realism is what makes sci fi appealing, over the top and far fetched I can cope with, but utter nonsense no it ruins the setting in my opinion, boo I say, booooo

Jacobite 12-14-13 09:32 AM

+ 1 to that. Space Marines in particular are getting worse. One of the reasons why I stopped reading BL books tbh.

Vaz 12-14-13 10:47 AM

Jump Pack units would likely have some form of configuration or specialisation for it.

That, or just "level the playing field" and evaporated the water, but that would be cheating.



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Chaplain-Grimaldus 12-14-13 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Jacobite (Post 1456257)
+ 1 to that. Space Marines in particular are getting worse. One of the reasons why I stopped reading BL books tbh.

Or why I now focus on the WHFB world ones.

I don't see how a marines suit could make him buoyant enough to float, again I say this as a diver also.

Unless this is suddenly another unknown quality of ceramite lol.

unxpekted22 12-14-13 11:00 AM

haha when I was trying to figure this out earlier thats why I decided to ask the forums about is. Because I was like wait....so a space marines weakness is water then? They just sink to the bottom lol. I guess they have all the time they need to walk back out eventually.

There's just so much written about space marines that I think sometimes they are kind of afraid to make a factual call like that and make it official fluff. They dont want to 'prevent' someone from having their fun of pretending space marines can do these types of things without thinking about it. You know, for the kids or whatever.

I definitely agree about the realism making it more appealing, otherwise it all becomes nonsense and unappealing. Since so much of the 40k universe is inherently nonsense, it is a good idea to stick to realism when you can, and I think this is a good example of that.

I think a large portion of the community tries hard to keep space marines a cool, interesting concept. But there are many instances where they just become whatever the person wants them to be at the moment.

Lost&Damned 12-14-13 11:34 AM

I seem to recall that they had to modify the power armour to be better suited to under water conditions, In addition i remember something about SM being able to use their 3rd lung under water, so they technically have a gill like feature.
i would imagine SM could just nuke the whole planet to get rid of all the water if they wanted.
Water and the vaccum of space are pretty similar anyway.

If i recall correctly, many chapters have a strong emphasis on hunting under water, like the space wolves and Iron snakes, both hunting huge creatures that live on their planets under their waters.

Malus Darkblade 12-14-13 12:21 PM

The Emperor designed them to be able to fight under any condition and it's clear that this is the case with the amount of worlds (many consisting primarily of oceans) they conquered during the Great Crusade.

We just haven't had writers write about this because its probably somewhat difficult to have action scenes take place underwater without sounding boring.

unxpekted22 12-14-13 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Malus Darkblade (Post 1456457)
The Emperor designed them to be able to fight under any condition and it's clear that this is the case with the amount of worlds (many consisting primarily of oceans) they conquered during the Great Crusade.

We just haven't had writers write about this because its probably somewhat difficult to have action scenes take place underwater without sounding boring.

The big difference between void warfare and submerged warfare is that the marines are weightless in the void, no gravity and all. They have magnetic boots that lock them onto the outside of hulls and platforms. That makes a lot mores sense to me. In water their weight would be a complete burden.

But they are designed to fight under any condition so I wonder why authors have avoided it. Its a huge potential to design marine naval vehicles and assault units. And there are definitely mentions of ocean worlds in the 40k universe. I think a book covering an underwater war on an ocean world commenced by a space marine chapter would be very interesting, personally. It seems odd this hasn't been touched in depth over the decades 40k has been around and I feel like its because authors know how silly and unbelievable it would be to have marines in power armor fighting underwater with any significant amount of mobility. If they decided on a way the Astartes get this done, it would be nice to know about.

The Laeran world in Fulgrim was mostly ocean.

Unless someone remembers off the top of their head before I can find it, Im going to read the part about Solomon crashing into the ocean. Pretty sure there's no mention of him swimming but I'll double check.

There's also this bit about that campaign:

"Underwater cites were discovered within days of the campaign's opening and detachments of Astartes took the fight to the abyssal darkness of undersea trenches, smashing into structures that had never known the touch of sunlight, in specially modified boarding torpedoes fired from Imperial Cruisers hovering above the sea. Solomon Demeter led his 2nd Company against the first of these cities, subjugating it within six hours, his plan of attack garnering praise from his Primarch"

thats from warhammerwiki. I'll re-read that part too I suppose.


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