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Serpion5 08-13-13 08:05 AM

Who wins the Long Game?
 
Of all the long lived beings and entities in the 40k-verse, which in your opinion has the greatest chance of emerging as the most successful? Not necessarily the sole survivor of them all, but the most likely to achieve lasting dominance?

Is it:

A: The c'tan. Over however long it takes, perhaps the shards manage to gradually rejoin themselves, be it by chance, engineering or carelessness on the part of their captors. Perhaps some trancendent shards become aware enough of their past to truly become what they once were, maybe a few manage to emerge and topple their former masters in vengeance. From here they could do pretty much anything, imposing their rule upon the younger races of the galaxy and reigniting the War with the Warp fed deities and worshipers just like the days of old where time was to their advantage.

B: The necrons. Through whatever you may call it, conquest or conviction, perhaps a visionary necron lord such as Anrakyr, Imotekh or Szarekh manages to pull the divided necron empire back together in time to reclaim the galaxy from the threats within and without. The tyranids are driven back and/or defeated, the influence of Chaos brought back under control and the younger races either stamped out or brought into compliance, serving whatever useful end their masters may dictate. The hold on the c'tan is maintained and with stability achieved greater measures are developed to keep them contained.

C: The Tyranids. With too little too late amassed to stop them, the constant influx of tyranid Hive Fleets proves too much for the denizens of the galaxy to handle and their feeding frenzy drives all other life in the galaxy to extinction. The turbulence in the warp from so much resounding death may slow them for a time, but in the end they are stronger and more numerous for having fed on such powerful genetic samples, spelling even swifter doom for whichever galaxy falls under their ever hungry gaze next.

D: Chaos. With ever greater numbers of mortals succumbing to their divine influence and their power reaching near unstoppable levels, the very moment of the Emperor's death spells not only doom for the Imperium, but for every other being in the galaxy as Humanity falls completely under the sway of the Dark Gods. Powered by the four winds, an army of unstoppable fanatics and slaves marches forth, feeding the Eye of Terror's growth until the entire galaxy is naught but the gods' playground.

E: The Mortal Races. While no single regime will endure forever, the deaths of those now feeds the courage of those in the future, inspiring the next generations to continue the fight. One by one the enemies of all living things are brought crashing down, the tyranids eradicated, the c'tan and their masters brought to heel and the influence of Chaos stemmed and bled dry by enlightenment and understanding. Though the Imperium may not have survived, and the tau and eldar races lie bloodied or broken, Life itself continues to endure, refusing to submit to even the darkest forces the universe can bring to bear.



Stirring speeches aside, which of those do you perceive to be the most realistic outcome of the current setting?

arlins 08-13-13 08:25 AM

Tyranids eat man , elder , orks and Tau ( and anything else that's eatable )
Chaos dies ( nothing to sustain them )

Necrons sit and wait till the tyranids either starve ( or turn on themselves to sustain higher hive creatures ) or bugger off .

Necrons are now the rulers till the destroyers get bored and decide to anhialate the last living remanants ( ie , the other Necrons ) .

:) :)

simplistic I know , If you follow the fluff though the silent king came back from his self imposed exile once he realised the threat of the Tyranids .
If they ate all life then the Necrons would not be able to return to biological beings ( so he started to awaken tomb worlds ) . So in all liklyness theyd probably fight and ally against the Tyranids . That's not to say some dynasties would abstain as all don't want to return to what they once were .
I also like the idea that at some point the C,Tan regain there former self,s , either through
Necron memory engrams breaking down ( and not remembering whats captured in the teserct labrynths or why they did it ) OR they do manage apotheosis ( I think that's what they call becoming mortal again ) and as with mortals , time turns fact to myth and curiosity eventually kills the cat :)

Cowbellicus 08-13-13 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by arlins (Post 1404609)
Tyranids eat man , elder , orks and Tau ( and anything else that's eatable )
Chaos dies ( nothing to sustain them )

Necrons sit and wait till the tyranids either starve ( or turn on themselves to sustain higher hive creatures ) or bugger off .

Necrons are now the rulers till the destroyers get bored and decide to anhialate the last living remanants ( ie , the other Necrons ) .
:)

This is actually a really good analysis. The Tyranids in particular should be fundamentally unstoppable. The hive fleets are so large they are visible as interstellar structures. It's difficult to really grasp that scale. The hive fleets could eat every single occupied planet in the galaxy and probably 0.00000001% of them would even realize they encountered resistance. Of course, plot armor prevents this, but ....

The necrons of course don't give a crap about living on worlds that have been stripped of life (heck, their pylons do this) so inheriting Tyranid discards would be just fine for them. Although I'm sure they'd be retroactively pissed that there was so much life they missed having a chance to kill. But they're used to being safely buried for billions of years, so whatevs.

Karthak 08-13-13 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Cowbellicus (Post 1404728)
The necrons of course don't give a crap about living on worlds that have been stripped of life (heck, their pylons do this) so inheriting Tyranid discards would be just fine for them. Although I'm sure they'd be retroactively pissed that there was so much life they missed having a chance to kill. But they're used to being safely buried for billions of years, so whatevs.

Actually, the Necrons are already opposing the Tyranids. Szarekh, who used to be the Silent King in charge of the entire Necrontyr species, views the Tyranids as the greatest threat there is to the dream of his people regaining biological bodies (and thus their souls), so he is marshalling tombworlds against the Great Devourer. The whole "all necrons want to eradicate all life" thing has been tossed out the window by Games Workshop.

Loli 08-13-13 03:33 PM

Dark Eldar /end thread. :-P

arlins 08-13-13 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Karthak (Post 1404741)
Actually, the Necrons are already opposing the Tyranids. Szarekh, who used to be the Silent King in charge of the entire Necrontyr species, views the Tyranids as the greatest threat there is to the dream of his people regaining biological bodies (and thus their souls), so he is marshalling tombworlds against the Great Devourer. The whole "all necrons want to eradicate all life" thing has been tossed out the window by Games Workshop.


Indeed , ( as mentioned in my original post ) though without the command protocols the silent king has no control over his former empire and I doubt all the dynasties will heed the call to fight ( indeed he himself is probably a target of some vengefull lords as not all went to transference willingly ) .

Even with the Necrons , I doubt ( unless GW change the fluff ) that the hive fleets could be stopped .
Just leaving those that don't support the silent king to sit back a wait ( theyre good at that :) ) till theyre last ...... robot standing ;)

arlins 08-13-13 03:40 PM

stupid double post

Loli 08-13-13 03:43 PM

On a serious side Tyranids then Necrons nuke them.

Nids devoured flesh and all sorts and their size is beyond gargantuan. The imperium sure as hell don't have something to stop a single hive fleet short of bodies which aren't entirely infinite. And at best throwing men and arms is really out of desperation not tactics and method. Orks can't exist without planets to grow them so that's out.

You could are that Chaos as an entity would still be around but the 4 gods don't give the much of a damn right now.

Though really Tyranids won't consume Cron as far as I'm aware so then the Crons just need to exterminate the 'Nids once they have consumed all the biomass and starts to die of/unable to grow.

That's always been my understanding of the Universe at least.


Even if both Eldar did hide in the webway they would die out sooner or later.

Child-of-the-Emperor 08-13-13 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arlins (Post 1404609)
Tyranids eat man , elder , orks and Tau ( and anything else that's eatable )
Chaos dies ( nothing to sustain them )

Necrons sit and wait till the tyranids either starve ( or turn on themselves to sustain higher hive creatures ) or bugger off .

Necrons are now the rulers till the destroyers get bored and decide to anhialate the last living remanants ( ie , the other Necrons ) .

:) :)

simplistic I know , If you follow the fluff though the silent king came back from his self imposed exile once he realised the threat of the Tyranids .

The problem with simplistic solutions is that all the greatest threats in the galaxy are occurring simultaneously. So for example, whilst the Tyranids are encroaching from the galactic void, Chaos is also breaking through the Cadian Gate and enacting the Crimson Path, whilst the Silent King is strenuously reawakening Tomb Worlds etc.

In the relative short-term the most likely outcome is the 13th Black Crusade (thanks to the Crimson Path) rumbles on towards Terra, just as the Astronomican continues to attract the Tyranids swarms. The primary purpose of the Silent King and his awakening Necrons seems to be to combat the Tyranids, whilst any and all Greenskin empires will continue to be attracted to the most vicious wars. Thus a four-way scrap (with involvement from any Imperial remnants and any interested Eldar factions) over the carcass of the Imperium seems the most likely result in the short-medium term, which would then usher in the next age of the galaxy.

MEQinc 08-13-13 03:47 PM

The galaxy was nearly annihilated before and when the Necrons woke up the Chaos Gods were still here. They are immortal and eternal in the truest sense of those words. They exist beyond the bounds of time itself, they have always existed and always will, regardless of what the material realm is doing.


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