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darkreever 05-08-13 03:05 PM

Question for all: If God does exist, then why does evil exist?
 
As the title says, why would God allow evil to exist?

Why do bad things happen to good people; what reason is there for needless suffering?

I understand the point of people being given free will, but why would a loving God allow his/her/its creations to enact it in this way? Why not curb such actions or remove it completely?

As someone who believes in nothing in particular, I swear by gods all the time but put my faith in people who have uncommon sense (IE common sense, though thats becoming a rather uncommon thing these days), it strikes me as odd that anything short of an evil or malicious God would let these things come to pass or believe that allowing evil to exist is a net good.


However thats me, what about you?

normtheunsavoury 05-08-13 03:17 PM

The stock defence seems to be 'God works in mysterious ways!' or 'Who are we to question God's will?', both sound a lot like 'Don't ask questions we can't answer' to me.

To me God seems to be at best incompetent and at worst outright malicious, how people are happy to devote their lives to him/her/it will remain a mystery to me.

arlins 05-08-13 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by normtheunsavoury (Post 1366373)
The stock defence seems to be 'God works in mysterious ways!' or 'Who are we to question God's will?', both sound a lot like 'Don't ask questions we can't answer' to me.

To me God seems to be at best incompetent and at worst outright malicious, how people are happy to devote their lives to him/her/it will remain a mystery to me.


dont forget " he,s testing us "

ask a creationist about the dinosaurs " its a test "

stock answers for questions they cant explain away ( as in the post above )
:)

iamtheeviltwin 05-08-13 03:48 PM

You really asked two different questions. I am assuming in this answer you are talking of the Judeo-Christian concept of "God".

One is about "Evil", the other is about "Bad Things".

Many "bad things" that happen to people are not in and of themselves Evil (Evil requires some form of malicious will behind it), accidents, illness, disease, natural disasters, etc are parts of the natural order. They happen to all creatures "great and small" with no ill will or order to them. Often they are needed parts of the natural cycle to maintain a healthy order and balance to life as we know it. The best answer I can think of to the question of "why bad things happen to good people" (a flawed question which in and of itself assumes some moral superiority or protection that should be given to "good" people...the real question is "why do bad things happen") is that the natural laws that were set in motion by "God" apply equally across all creation and care not whether you are "good", "bad", "ambivalent", "animal", "mineral", etc.

The second question of "Evil" has far more to do with free will. If a "God" creator has given humankind free will to do as they please, why would he then turn around and deny the results of the actions taken under that free will? Given that he has 1) provided a blueprint for humans to follow to be "Good" and avoid "Evil", 2) considers this material universe a temporary home for the human soul, and 3) has promised rewards and/or punishment for choosing to be "Good" or "Evil" that exist outside this material universe.

You may not agree with his conclusions or his theology, but if this is a question you truly want to explore the answers to, a good place to start is http://www.amazon.com/Problem-Pain-C-S-Lewis/dp/0060652969. Like I said you may or may not agree with his conclusions, but he does treat the question in a thoughtful way as opposed to snappy, cynical internet witticisms.

GrizBe 05-08-13 04:15 PM

Well from my understanding, the official response is that God allowed the devil to exist so that he could tempt the people and test them to see if they would still believe in God despite their hardships...

If thats true, it just paints God as an ass... if he really is omnipotent and omnicognisent as is claimed, he would have known from the start that people would have turned against him etc... which means he's pretty much written off a large portion of people. If god is meant to be a loving god, such a thing shows he doesn't really give a crap.

Now people use the free will arguement in that evil exist as we're allowed to choose what we wish to do with our lives... But again, using that arguement its pretty much a case of 'if you don't behave, your screwed'. Now where is the free will in that? Yes theres still a choice.. but if your really damned for enternity for stepping out of line and that was a known fact, your hardly going to not behave yourself now are you? And thus again, prooves god as a dick.

Silens 05-08-13 04:16 PM

God gives us all free will with full knowledge of what will happen if he does so and then has a bitch fit if we don't act how he likes. :)

HOGGLORD 05-08-13 05:26 PM

I do sometimes find that when people say how God releases demons to test us etc, it seems a bit like a parent occasionally hurling a rock at you or kicking you in the nuts and expecting you to love and obey them regardless... Doesn't make sense to me, I just can't see the benevolent thing working. I really find myself thinking that if there is a god/gods, which I wholeheartedly believe that there is, (he/she/it)'s probably not got everyone's best interests at heart all the time. I struggle to keep up with most modern religions when you look deep into them. Don't have much time to do much looking, or any asking from those who really know the subject matter (priests and such), but from what I've read upon the internet, something just doesn't quite ring true for me.

Galahad 05-08-13 06:11 PM


Serpion5 05-09-13 07:59 AM

There is no logic or rationality in Christian Faith. It's all shit and made up now anyway.

You can thank a king and a council, all of whom were mere mortal men, for writing the current version of the New Testament, omitting what they thought sent the "wrong" message.

One of the dead sea scrolls for instance recorded Jesus as saying agnosticism was fine because having doubts is not a sin (or something along those lines, I don't recall the specifics). The church would not let that go in, because if people thought that was okay, money would stop rolling into their pockets.

So fuck Christianity. Even if God does exist he's been painted as a self righteous paranoid child and it'd take a lot of convincing (from himself of course) for me to see otherwise. :grin:

Magpie_Oz 05-09-13 08:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darkreever (Post 1366371)
As the title says, why would God allow evil to exist?

Because you can't have good if there is no evil, it would just be "stuff".


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