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Lord Hell 03-27-13 02:08 AM

What if the Emperor had died during the great crusade?
 
How many changes do you think could happened to the structure of the Imperium? How would the Primarchs handle this? How would the Astartes handle this?

And this would occur right before the triumph of Ullanor and Horus wouldn't have been declared Warmaster yet. To be specific before the Emperor even started on his Ullanor campaign.

hailene 03-27-13 02:47 AM

Are we assuming Ullanor is still a success and none of the Primarchs are killed in its prosecution?

Someone needs to pick up the reins. Of those assembled, I think Horus still would have won out. Everything that had the Emperor select him as Warmaster is still exists: his winning personality, good relations with most of his brothers (or lack of enmity, anyway), excellent war record, and the prowess of his Legion.

The big change in the Crusade is that I bet Horus would have had softer policy on aliens and non-threatening human societies. After all, when he learned that the Interex was a combination of an alien and human society, he was willing to accept that.

It would have been interesting to see if, say, an Imperial force had decided to save a society with a better understanding of the Warp than humans at the time (say, an Eldar craftworld or something). In payment they exchange their knowledge of the Immaterium, thus preventing the Horus Heresy.

Maybe the Word Bearers wouldn't have gone so far for Chaos once the target of their hate and bitter feelings, the Emperor, was gone?

Then again, on the other hand, they may have had more success converting the Imperium. No one outside the WBs and the Emperor really knew how the Warp works. The Emperor would have stomped out any Chaos worship as soon as he saw it, but without him, the WBs would be more free to showcase the more tolerable pieces of Chaos worship. Before anyone knew something was amiss, it'd be too late.

Battman 03-27-13 02:50 AM

Well one thought the warp gate or Eldar gate thing on earth would let all the daemons onto terra and no Astronomican so I’m thinking the primarches would take the realm where they are and the human empire would slowly fall to the hoards of enemies.

One question back at you what time would you think this to be set in the start of the cursade? the end? somewhere in the middle because there might be some changes to individual reactions of some of the primarchs depending on the time

Lord Hell 03-27-13 03:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Battman (Post 1352896)
Well one thought the warp gate or Eldar gate thing on earth would let all the daemons onto terra and no Astronomican so I’m thinking the primarches would take the realm where they are and the human empire would slowly fall to the hoards of enemies.

One question back at you what time would you think this to be set in the start of the cursade? the end? somewhere in the middle because there might be some changes to individual reactions of some of the primarchs depending on the time

The middle(Ignore this).

Exactly around the time Ullanor takes place

hailene 03-27-13 03:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Battman (Post 1352896)
Well one thought the warp gate or Eldar gate thing on earth would let all the daemons onto terra

I don't think the wards were connected to the Emperor. The Emperor had to seal the gate after Magnus destroyed the wards with his warning.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Battman (Post 1352896)
no Astronomican

Magnus would have been able to guide the Astronomican.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Battman (Post 1352896)
One question back at you what time would you think this to be set in the start of the cursade?

The OP stated right before Ullanor. So about 4 years before Istvaan.

Lord Hell 03-27-13 03:18 AM

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Originally Posted by hailene (Post 1352893)
Are we assuming Ullanor is still a success and none of the Primarchs are killed in its prosecution?

Someone needs to pick up the reins. Of those assembled, I think Horus still would have won out. Everything that had the Emperor select him as Warmaster is still exists: his winning personality, good relations with most of his brothers (or lack of enmity, anyway), excellent war record, and the prowess of his Legion.

The big change in the Crusade is that I bet Horus would have had softer policy on aliens and non-threatening human societies. After all, when he learned that the Interex was a combination of an alien and human society, he was willing to accept that.

It would have been interesting to see if, say, an Imperial force had decided to save a society with a better understanding of the Warp than humans at the time (say, an Eldar craftworld or something). In payment they exchange their knowledge of the Immaterium, thus preventing the Horus Heresy.

Maybe the Word Bearers wouldn't have gone so far for Chaos once the target of their hate and bitter feelings, the Emperor, was gone?

Then again, on the other hand, they may have had more success converting the Imperium. No one outside the WBs and the Emperor really knew how the Warp works. The Emperor would have stomped out any Chaos worship as soon as he saw it, but without him, the WBs would be more free to showcase the more tolerable pieces of Chaos worship. Before anyone knew something was amiss, it'd be too late.

Ullanor is still considered a success and all of the Primarchs are alive.

Haskanael 03-27-13 10:26 AM

no great rebelion then.

hailene 03-27-13 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Haskanael (Post 1352999)
no great rebelion then.

Why would you say that? The Word Bearers had discovered the Eye of Terror at least 4 decades before Ullanor. They've already been tainted by Chaos.

Who is to say that they still don't wound Horus? Or another Primarch? Or just plain Lorgar leads the Heresy?

Calistrasza 03-27-13 07:15 PM

There's two main paths I can see- one, Horus takes over the Crusade (likely passing it off to one of the other primarchs, probably Gulliman or Dorn, one of the 'stable' ones), and returns to Terra. We end up with the Lorgar Heresy and history either plays out identically to the Emperor's own, or Horus wins fully and is hailed as the true successor to the Emperor. The Age of the Imperium begins with a living head and much fewer casualties.

Or, Horus remains on the front lines and is slowly corrupted by Chaos. With no Emperor to stand against him, he easily takes the throne from the few remaining loyalist legions- several 'loyalists' having joined him rather than face annihilation. The human race falls to Chaos, and then whatever the Long War's proposed ending is plays out in M31 onwards.


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