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Routine 07-21-12 01:29 AM

Imotekh and Allies of Convenience
 
Simply put, does Imotekh's Lightning affect the Main detachment if he is part of an allied detachment taken as Allies of convenience?

CattleBruiser 07-21-12 01:53 AM

I believe it does as allies of convenience are considered enemies that you can't shoot or assault and Imotekh's lightning spell affects enemy units.

Pandora 07-21-12 08:55 AM

I don't think the Lightning would affect Allies of Convenience. I don't play Necrons but the rulebook says that Allies of Convenience cannot be shot. I now the lightning is unconventional but it is still shooting.

Starsplice 07-21-12 05:00 PM

How is the power worded. I just had this discussion and since my Necron friend didn't have his codex handy we couldn't answer the question. But we agreed, if the wording says it's a shot against all enemies then no because you can't shoot your allies that are considered enemies. Oh Games Workshop.....
But if the text says it just hits all enemies, well your "allies" of convenience will also take a hit.

Of course he said Crons really don't need allies, they already have a solid codex. So no worries for him.

Sinsinaty 07-21-12 06:37 PM

With 6th Edition Rules - Imotekh the stormlord is a pointless model. The nightfighting rules now just screws everything up and just makes his ability to turn the game into nightfight now affect you seriously! And then his lighting attacks is only on the roll of a 6 on a D6. His model is now pointless

Lord Azune 07-21-12 08:00 PM

Sinsinaty, the ability to make all nightfighting doesn't screw over Necron. We, for the most part, are short to mid range shooters. Against guard artillery and most long range fighters, we'd get screwed if it weren't for night fighting.

Archon Dan 07-21-12 10:01 PM

Night Fighting screwing with Necrons? We have 2 units that can shoot over 24". And it makes us virtually invisible to enemies with longer range weapons until we decide to step forward and shoot them. If it really bothers you, take Solar Pulses to cancel the Night Fighting on your turn.

As for the original question, the important part of the rule is as follows.
" ... whilst the Night Fighting rules remain in play, roll a D6 for each unengaged enemy unit on the battlefield ..." (Page 55, Codex: Necrons)
This would indicate that even Allies of Convenience or Desperate Allies can be struck. This is in fitting with Necrons though and how they view all other life. They don't care if you survive the battle, so long as they win. Of course, some players could have the misfortune of striking their allies but not the enemies.

Sinsinaty 07-21-12 11:15 PM

Only 2 units that can only shoot over 24"?

Doomsday Cannon - 72"
Heavy Gauss Cannon - 36"
Tachyon Arrow - Infinite Range
Eldritch Lance - 36"
Harp of Dissnance - Infinite Range
Tremorstave - 36"

2 Units? thought not.

Nightfight with 5th Edition rules, made the opponent to shoot 2D6 x 3 = Range. 36" maximum range, now people can shoot and not even need to roll, that was Imotekh's special power for FREE! He's 225 Points for no warscythe and 1 weapon that can shoot one which is only 12" maximum. Before in 5th Edition you could not move and shoot with heavy weapons and stuff etc, with 6th Edition rules you can now do that. For nightfighting it's now made most tactics stupid! He's only 225 Points worth for that Strength 8 AP5 D6 weapon, which is only good in nightfight, which is not rubbish.

Da Joka 07-21-12 11:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sinsinaty (Post 1267609)
With 6th Edition Rules - Imotekh the stormlord is a pointless model. The nightfighting rules now just screws everything up and just makes his ability to turn the game into nightfight now affect you seriously! And then his lighting attacks is only on the roll of a 6 on a D6. His model is now pointless

I don't know what your smokin boy, but you're crazy.

Night Fighting is still awesome for Necrons as they only have like 6 things that have a range greater then 24" So it still Messes with your opponent waaaay more then it does for you.

He allows you to seizes the Initiative on a 4+. He has a sweet Staff that can fire a S6 AP1 line into COMBAT! He has 2+ and 3++ saves. And his Humiliating Defeat rule makes him a Boss for challenges.

Sinsinaty 07-21-12 11:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Da Joka (Post 1267731)
I don't know what your smokin boy, but you're crazy.

Night Fighting is still awesome for Necrons as they only have like 6 things that have a range greater then 24" So it still Messes with your opponent waaaay more then it does for you.

He allows you to seizes the Initiative on a 4+. He has a sweet Staff that can fire a S6 AP1 line into COMBAT! He has 2+ and 3++ saves. And his Humiliating Defeat rule makes him a Boss for challenges.

How is he a "boss for challenges" he sucks!


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