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scscofield 06-02-12 12:53 AM

GW is putting stuff in Digital format.
 
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/co...&aId=22200010a


Looks like it is iPad exclusive stuff but this is something of a plus in terms of them stepping up to the current tech.

Wusword77 06-02-12 12:59 AM

This being iPad exclusive is somewhat annoying, as I'd prefer to get it on an android tablet (as they're cheaper), but it's a step in the right direction for GW.

SGMAlice 06-02-12 01:00 AM

Trust them to use Apple as the launch platform.

Otherwise, its about time, they have been lagging behind for a while now.

Alice

wombat_tree 06-02-12 01:01 AM

How much do they cost? I couldn't find the price.

Anyway I guess that's fine as long as they never decide to exclusively publish digitally, I like my hardback books (also I don't have an iPad :P)

scscofield 06-02-12 01:02 AM

Yah thats what I was getting at, it also is a means for them to add in new content. The Stormtalon is in the iPad Codex.

darktide 06-02-12 01:06 AM

If they stick to just the [email protected]#! for a format then they will loose a LOT of players. I know that in my gaming community they would loose over 90%

Callistarius 06-02-12 01:36 AM

Good idea, pity about the format. Kindle version codex (perhaps without a lot of hte extra art) would be pretty damn good.

The Son of Horus 06-02-12 01:56 AM

Ugh, I've wanted an Ipad since the things came out, but I haven't had the cash for one (woe is me, the college student, whose monthly income is...well... yeah.)... and this just is one more thing that I'd love to have an ipad for.

Col. Schafer 06-02-12 02:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Son of Horus (Post 1231360)
Ugh, I've wanted an Ipad since the things came out, but I haven't had the cash for one (woe is me, the college student, whose monthly income is...well... yeah.)... and this just is one more thing that I'd love to have an ipad for.

^My relationship with tablets other than the iPad^

How I feel about this announcement on the other hand...

GW does a lot of things that put me off. But hell, obviously I play Warhammer.

Apple is, as far as I'm concerned, more deserving of censorship than profanity or pornography. This is unsettling for me, as GW, someone who only annoyed me up to this point and had a core product I enjoy, has formed an unholy alliance with a company that I fully expect to announce a merger with the Gods of Chaos any day now.

Disclaimer: Hyperbole

If they made it available for other tablets I would be less horrified. Optimally, I'd love to see them make straight PDFs of their books, although this would be redundant with what's already lurking in the corners of the internet...

Fallen 06-02-12 03:51 AM

i also wish that it wasnt exclusively for the ipad/stuffs.

Karyudo-DS 06-02-12 04:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Col. Schafer (Post 1231378)
If they made it available for other tablets I would be less horrified. Optimally, I'd love to see them make straight PDFs of their books, although this would be redundant with what's already lurking in the corners of the internet...

Not to mention even if they sold them to you they needed a way to make sure you can't just upload copies everywhere. So this solution makes some sense...I think. Though being available for cooler OS's would have been nice or maybe a way to check them out and print them online otherwise. Not interested in an iPad when I have a device slightly bigger and one slightly smaller. No Point.

Good idea though.

TheReverend 06-02-12 05:58 AM

They look good and I'm liking this move. I can't see them going exclusively digital, at least not until the whole world is exclusively digital, and that is many centuries in the future (or not, only time will tell and I will be long dead...)

haha, even in the 40k universe they have libraries full of books...

RedThirstWill Destroy 06-02-12 07:12 AM

I can see what they've done, using iTunes is one of the more secure ways to go digital but it's not 100% secure, if they release all the dex's on there people only need to carry one item which is already smaller a codex and they'll have them all with them rather than carrying a bag full of books.

I like it personaly

khrone forever 06-02-12 08:15 AM

has anyone else noticed that hte two dudes in the pic are floating :P

anyway, a good move by GW, but only ipad :(

Todeswind 06-02-12 09:15 AM

42????? 42 freaking DOLLARS??? They want to charge me $42 for a product that costs them exactly $0 to produce other than the Apple commission per sale and paying a graphic artist to make the file?

That isn't just stupid and greedy it's wildly incompetent. People are capable of counting, if they weren't willing to buy the paper copy because it was too expensive they aren't going to spend more on a digital one. The people who have the disposable income to buy an iPad aren't going to spend 20% of what it cost to buy the damn thing on a book they already probably have a PDF dealing with.

Cruxyh 06-02-12 09:16 AM

I was interested, until I got to the part where it mentioned the ipad... I never quite got why anyone would want a ipad in the first place, so seeing GWS making ipad exclusive stuff is a bit of a let down, to be honest.

Guess i'll have to wait untill they make non-ipad exclusive digital stuff... :P

HOBO 06-02-12 09:18 AM

I like the move by GW to go digital, but why just ipad...there's about 4 or 5 such devices in my household and they're all bloody Tablets:angry:

LazyG 06-02-12 09:58 AM

Wow, lot of really diehard fanboyism in here...

Anyway, iPad makes sense as it is a platform with basically one format to orry about, one screen ratio, and one distribution channel. A lot of mobile stuff starts on iPhone/iPad only as it is cheaper to develop. The problem with developing for Android (both phoen and tablet) is the really large number of different handsets and subversions of the OS. Both handset makers and even individual networks customise elements of Android to their devices, making for a dizzing arrat of possible devices you might end up needing something to run on. For Apple it is considerable simpler.

This is basically an aspect of the old apple versus x86 argument. You can go for a closed ecosystem where everything is made my one manufacturer and get homogeneity leading to (generally) higher ease of use and better integration but at a higher price and with less user choice. Or you choose an open ecosystem which si lower price and has more user choice but leads to much more complexity for users and developers to handle.

What this means now is economically ya developer can give you a fixed price for developing for iPad, plus you know how to sell the product to people. Thats a lot harder on Android for now, so people tend to start with iOS then expand to Android if it is popular.

Also, is seems figures from March show Apple has 73% of the tablet market, which makes them the best to start with economically. If you were targeting smartphones not tablets then you'd really need to pay attention to Android, and maybe in fact smartphone editions of codexes, reformatted to be easily usable on the move would be a good idea, but that is a different product that requires new layout. Moving from paper to iPad is a relatively simple design task.

Kindle makes less sense to me, as only the kindle fire has colour graphics and the stuff they are releasing is the graphics heavy stuff not the text heavy BL stuff (which already runs fine on Kindle anyway).

I guess if this is popular you may see Android version soon. For Android fans, this means you want the iPad owners to get buying to show the concept is popular!

[I use a windows pc for gaming and media, a mac laptop for work and a raspberry pi running Linux as a media centre, fanboyism is pointless]

bitsandkits 06-02-12 10:53 AM

Thing is apple market share is only high because they were the only one doing tablets, there share is being eroded very quickly and by android, samsung will eventually become dominant in the tablet arena too and android will be the OS of choice across phones and and tablets and likely pc's at some point. GW really should have both formats available and should be thinking a kindle version too.
Plus outside of the states i dont think Ipads are that popular, i think i have seen 2 in the last 12 months and both people looked really paranoid to be using them in public,where as i see hundreds of people using kindles and android devices.
its a step in the right direction but it should be accross all formats.



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Shady ed 06-02-12 11:16 AM

I guess anyone who wants a digital copy and doesn't like wasting money on apple products will have to pirate them.

Doelago 06-02-12 11:23 AM

I am liking this move. A bit annoyed that it is not available on the iPhone, but hey, I will be getting a new iPad this summer anyways, so whatever.

Bane_of_Kings 06-02-12 11:41 AM

I would like this move, but there are two main reasons why I don't.

a) I don't have an Ipad, and unless I get a job, won't be getting one anytime soon.
b) The Space Marine Codex Is the same price as the paperback book, which is £24.99. Couldn't they at least lower it down a couple of £'s - otherwise People will most likely stick with their physical copies.

Turnip86 06-02-12 11:48 AM

It's a move in the right direction definitely but I'm not rushing out to go and buy an iPad. To me the name sounds too much like it's for the busy woman on the go at the wrong time of the month.

I find it funny with all the apple rage though, I used to really hate apple products until I bought an iPod touch and I find it much better than any of the alternatives even to the point where it's better than a lot of smartphones just without the calling facility and 3G (although the 3G model is out now) The only thing I really hate about apple is iTunes. It's a horrible program that doesn't do anything I want it to and decides by itself what it wants to sync to my iPod meaning if there's something I don't want on it I have to delete it from the library and just unticking it in the sync area doesn't work for some reason. Anyway, slight digression ;)

If it was available for iPod touch/iPhone then it'd be awesome and obviously making it available to android users will probably come with time. Remember GW are all about grabbing money so releasing it on as many platforms as they can to maximise their profit is an almost certainty in time. They do really need to reduce the cost of the books in the app though, paying more for a copy that can run out of battery is ridiculous.

Edit: To be honest regarding price, it makes sense for them to charge more if they'll be providing updates BUT this can piss off the people that only have paper copies as they wont have the latest goodies. Plus the 360 degree viewer on the SM codex seems fun but gimmiky and overall useless and just there to force the price up.

Words_of_Truth 06-02-12 12:08 PM

Even though I love they are going digital, I only have a Kindle and won't be getting an Ipad any time soon, so it's a shame but at least they are heading in the right direction.

Groedius 06-02-12 12:17 PM

Well this sounds rather interesting that they have finally decided to do this. I just hope for that now this means that they will update the codex's more often in the digital format, However this kinda puts people with the book at a disadvantage so im not sold on that. The other thing I dislike is that it is only available on the Ipad and im not a fan of apple products.

DanoNecrono 06-02-12 12:27 PM

Well I don't like the fact that it's JUST on the Ipad but I guess my daughter can kiss hers goodbye.

Uncle Nurgle 06-02-12 01:21 PM

I'm crazy disapointed by this, I have an IPAD and when I saw the annoucement, went straight onto IBooks to check them out.

£24 for the space marine codex. Are you joking? Why would I buy that? Seriously? What on earth would make me pay the exact same amount as the physical copy for the digital one. I mean, what??

The rest of them are just overpriced white dwarf articles. Seriously, the deathknell is just the painting guide from white dwarf and the gaming article from white dwarf, but for £2.50 or so.

The scrolls of binding? Just that, just the same articles from the white dwarf but at .69p. Come on! What the hell seriously???

Pathetic.

And this is coming from someone who normally thinks that the majority of people who whine and complain about GW are pathetic and need to get some perspective.

This though, I can't understand, perhaps there is someone with experiance about the move into digital that can explain these prices?

TheKingElessar 06-02-12 01:45 PM

I don't see any issue with £24 for the digital SM Codex, compared to £24 for a fucking 4 year old book in paper format...

Equally fucking ridiculous prices. There's no VAT on books, no fucking excuse for the price rise.

D-A-C 06-02-12 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darktide (Post 1231315)
If they stick to just the [email protected]#! for a format then they will loose a LOT of players. I know that in my gaming community they would loose over 90%

Jeez, there really is no pleasing some people huh?

They don't have any digital content, its in the wrong format, price increases, poor quality, bad rules, enviromental damage, famine, plague, disease etc etc.

Its a hobby/modelling company that specialises in making plastic men for us to paint and play with, if you all want to stop playing because they put stuff in a certain format that you don't have or like, well, have a nice day.

Seriously, why would you quit because they favour apple for their digital content, alot of people have and use apple, and who says they'll never use other formats?

Even if they don't, people will more than likely convert and circulate them into compatable formats.

Relax buddy and take a deep breath.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheKingElessar (Post 1231536)
I don't see any issue with £24 for the digital SM Codex, compared to £24 for a fucking 4 year old book in paper format...

Equally fucking ridiculous prices. There's no VAT on books, no fucking excuse for the price rise.

This however annoys me no end. No production costs should equal a cheaper price right? Wrong.

I hate the fact e-reader companies are doing this shit, and getting together to keep prices high.

I hope the government tears them a new one in the lawsuit filed against them in the U.S

Digg40k 06-02-12 02:16 PM

Why not just as secure PDF's over iTunes?

TheKingElessar 06-02-12 02:16 PM

Sadly D-A-C, governments take the side of what gets them individually more money - ie, business. :(

E-books will continue to cost more (comparatively) than less environmentally friendly alternatives, no matter what, until one company decides to spark a price war.

Arcane 06-02-12 03:01 PM

Great so GW finally digitalizes yet we STILL have to pirate their material through shady websites because they only release it via a single format. Brilliant.

Also I'll be surprised if they ever release a digital SoB codex since we are still waitiing for a PDF....

Doelago 06-02-12 03:48 PM

I just spent a good while fiddling through the Codex: Space Marines and the Ultramarines Painting Guide on my old iPad, and they are fairly awesome.

Everything is laid out perfectly for the iPad screen, with everything divided into sections, making it easy to find everything from the list of Space Marine chapters to the army list. The gallery is cool with the 360 images and the ability to zoom in on the minis.

A cool feature that will certainly help me is the ability to click on the names of rules or pieces of equipment in the unit entries, and a box will pop up and explain the rule/piece of wargear. So if I need to know what, say, Move Through Cover does, I dont need to check the rule book.

I think this was a great move by GW. Begone my old pirate copies. Time to get the proper thing going. :laugh:

Edit: But I still want an iPhone version as well.

Arcane 06-02-12 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Digg40k (Post 1231548)
Why not just as secure PDF's over iTunes?

Because GW wouldn't get as big a kick back from Mac for having an iPad exclusive product. $$$

Boc 06-02-12 04:54 PM

The week AFTER I buy a Transformer Prime tablet >.<

I highly doubt though that they plan only to release these in Apple formatting, simply that approximately (according to some statistic that I can't back up from listening to the radio) 50% of smart phone/tablet sales go to Apple. Therefore one format would reach the highest number of consumers in one go.

Once they've got their pockets full from this after a month or two, they'll likely expand to other formats since it'll doubtlessly take more work to get things to work for all the different Droid types out.

Words_of_Truth 06-02-12 05:35 PM

Could they get it on kindle? Is it even possible? I know Kindle is a pretty simple pad.

Vhalyar 06-02-12 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arcane (Post 1231568)
Great so GW finally digitalizes yet we STILL have to pirate their material through shady websites because they only release it via a single format. Brilliant.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arcane (Post 1231597)
Because GW wouldn't get as big a kick back from Mac for having an iPad exclusive product. $$$

Or maybe it's not just a PDF. Maybe, just maybe, it's using certain features of iBooks 2. Maybe it has interactive elements and behaves more like an app than like a simple PDF.

Oh wait, that's exactly how it is! It has interactive elements and additional features that a PDF file doesn't offer. In other words, you can't simply port this to Kindle or Android by snapping your fingers. Don't let this get in the way of your sour grapes though :grin:

This is way better than the paper version. Like Doelago said, the ability to tap on a wargear or special rule and get a pop-up explaining what it does is amazingly useful, instead of flipping back and forth through pages. If upcoming armies have their digital codexes released in a timely manner, I can't see myself ever buying a physical copy again. I wouldn't buy a digital copy of a codex that I already own though; the extra convenience and features are not worth it.

notsoevil 06-02-12 06:12 PM

I think they're too expensive, but at the same time, I don't see myself buying physical codices again, that's for sure.

boreas 06-02-12 06:12 PM

Seems cool... GW finally entering the 21st century, more than a decade late :) Hopefully, all codexes will come in this format. Hopefully, this will be available also on Android tablets. Hopefully, codex updates will be available for little or no fee (ie auto-FAQuing codexes). Hopefully, the price will be in line with actual codexes.

But right now, no way I'm paying about 32 pounds for a codex I already own... Oh, and no way I'm paying for an iPad! So, overall, nice, but useless for my gaming group. The only guy who's got an iPad... doesn't play SM! They should have taken the logical middle step and released some PDFs...

Phil

Karyudo-DS 06-02-12 06:18 PM

Being an iPad exclusive is worthless to me. Nice features or not I have no plans on buying one for that. Though it took years of complaints to get the other marine FAQs updated so I'm not expecting overnight.

Personally since you can put links and tooltips into a PDF that's just fine for me. It would be nice if they could sell both together somehow, an updatable copy with a battery free one. Course i could just scan in my codex's and do all that myself.

Actually...long as they don't go hardcover maybe I will do that. Thanks for the idea GW!


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