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Default GW dying, What are the alternatives?

Ok, so i've only ever played 40k, I've always been into the model making and converting more than the gaming and with these new "finecast" price hikes that we all know are for models that will be cheaper to produce than they were last week. I think its time to look elsewhere.

so can you guys help fill me and a few others in on what alternatives are out there.

I know there are a lot and i've looked into warmachine hordes but their models don't appeal to me and I can't see much room for conversions and kit bashes.

any suggestions would be much appreciated.

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Painting wise, there's tons of companies out there to turn to, but as for kitbashing you'll have a hard time getting something comparable to GW's multi-part plastic boxes i'm afraid.

As a painter who virtually never plays, it'd make sense for me to have abandoned GW long ago, but their lovely, multi-pose, kit-bash friendly kits have kept me coming back every time.


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I'm jumping ship to Ambush Alley.

Think of it as what Call Of Duty would be like on the tabletop.

I 'gained' a copy of the rules online (It can be downloaded on the main website as a PDF) and you can use any miniatures you want to represent models.

Models are divided into four classes that represent how good they are (From armed civillians to SAS dudes).

The main 'competitors' to Games Workshop would be : WarMachine/Hordes(Two different flavours of armies that are at war with each other, you can use Horde armies in Warmachine for example), Infinity, BattleTech (Prepainted Robots, it can be either very basic or extremely detailed depending on how you want to play, allegedly), Flames of War (World War 2 based), Heroclix (Pre-painted mini's from just about any comic series I think... I've seen Freddy Krueger and Wolverine before, so I have no idea how vast it is. I think they do Heroclix Star Wars too) and Malifaux.

As for other games:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_miniature_wargames

Wikipedia has you covered.

I'm tellin' ya, it feels so good to not see SPACE MARINES everywhere anymore, that was seriously beginning to give me a headache...

Anyway, good luck in your searches!

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I recommend Anima Tactics.

But meh, it's not massively popular.
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Flames of war is a ok system, however its far harder to find people to play with, and fairly expensive, not to mention the people writing the rules had a hard on for the germans.


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I know a lot of GW models didn't appeal to me before I started. Miniature looks is something you 'learn to love', so I don't think you should dismiss Hordemachine. Those Cryx minis definitely look better to me than any of the "evil" factions in Warhammer 40K.

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..... and with these new "finecast" price hikes that we all know are for models that will be cheaper to produce than they were last week.......
Let us consider.

Metal cools quickly when casting. Say.... 1 minute, maybe?
Resin cures more slowly? 5 minutes? I'm guessing here. It might be more.

So to cast 1 "Man with a sword" in metal takes 1 minute.
To cast 1 "Man with a sword" in resin takes 5 minutes.

Then to cast the same number of resin figures in the same time as metal takes 5 times the workforce and machinery?

Five times the equipment investments. Five times the employee wages.


And let's not even get into wastage.

If the "Man with a sword" miscasts in metal, you melt him down and recast.
If the "Man with a sword" miscasts in resin, you..... you cant melt him down. You have to throw him away. That's a total loss of resin material.

We might be lucky the prices arent going up more.
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The real cost of higher prices for new resin models is most likely the cost of switching over, in say 1-2 years the cost of such models would reasonably go down.


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I'm jumping ship to Ambush Alley.

Think of it as what Call Of Duty would be like on the tabletop.

I 'gained' a copy of the rules online (It can be downloaded on the main website as a PDF) and you can use any miniatures you want to represent models.

Models are divided into four classes that represent how good they are (From armed civillians to SAS dudes).

The main 'competitors' to Games Workshop would be : WarMachine/Hordes(Two different flavours of armies that are at war with each other, you can use Horde armies in Warmachine for example), Infinity, BattleTech (Prepainted Robots, it can be either very basic or extremely detailed depending on how you want to play, allegedly), Flames of War (World War 2 based), Heroclix (Pre-painted mini's from just about any comic series I think... I've seen Freddy Krueger and Wolverine before, so I have no idea how vast it is. I think they do Heroclix Star Wars too) and Malifaux.

As for other games:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_miniature_wargames

Wikipedia has you covered.

I'm tellin' ya, it feels so good to not see SPACE MARINES everywhere anymore, that was seriously beginning to give me a headache...

Anyway, good luck in your searches!

So I looked up the company ambush alley and saw the rules but were are you going to get the minis?

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So I looked up the company ambush alley and saw the rules but were are you going to get the minis?

Doc
That's the beauty of it. You can use ANYTHING to represent your miniatures. They recommend a few different stockists, but I've had a look around and found a few different websites.

Like these:

http://www.offensiveminiatures.com/c...ange.asp?CID=3

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/neil.shuck/modrev.html

http://www.theassaultgroup.com/ (I'm seriously thinking about ordering the British infantry with L85 Grenade launcher, they're under Ultra-Modern)

And this thread on Warseer is very relevant to your interests:

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2305217

Also Ebay helps out with the Assault group's selection:

http://shop.ebay.ie/i.html?_nkw=the+....c0.m270.l1313

Good luck!

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