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How awesome does this game look?



http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=ah/aam/WaratSea

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France


Gloire - 3/64 Uncommon
Le Terrible - 4/64 Common


Richelieu - 5/64 Rare

United Kingdom


HMS Ajax - 6/64 Uncommon

HMS Truculent - 12/64 Common
HMS Rodney - 11/64 Rare
HMS Javelin - 10/64 Common
HMS Exeter - 8/64 Rare
Swordfish Mk. II
14/64 Common
Sea Hurricane Mk. 1B
13/64 Common
HMS Ark Royal - 7/64 Rare
HMS Hood - 9/64 Rare


United States


F4F Wildcat
15/64 Common
PBY Catalina
16/64 Uncommon
SBD Dauntless
18/64 Common
TBD Devastator
20/64 Common
USS Atlanta (CL 51) - 21/64 Uncommon
PT Boat - 17/64 Common
USS Baltimore (CA 68) - 22/64 Rare
SS Jeremiah O'Brien - 19/64 Uncommon
USS Boise (CL 47) - 24/64 Uncommon
USS Barb (SS 220) - 23/64 Common
USS Princeton (CVL 23) - 28/64 Rare
USS Fletcher (DD 445) - 26/64 Common
USS Salt Lake City (CA 25) - 29/64 Rare
USS Samuel B. Roberts (DE 413) - 30/64 Common
USS Tennessee (BB 43) - 32/64 Rare
USS St. Lo (CVE 63) - 31/64 Uncommon
USS Washington (BB 56) - 33/64 Rare
USS Enterprise (CV 6) - 25/64 Rare
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I've played it extensively.

I love it.

Of course, it's not perfect.... air attacks always find the enemy, and are then far too easy to drive off, but it's all kinds of fun.

My only gripe is that the miniatures are randomly packaged.

In almost every other respect, it's one of my favorite games to date.

EDIT: One thing to note, your images aren't quite matched with the minis in question.

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Haven't played it before but it looks great, I've never actually come across a naval based game that looks quite as good as this one.

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I play it allot and have allot of models for it, it works well, but does need some restrictions as the American fleet is extremely overpowered if given freedom (its done by an American company so go figure).

I love the randomly packed figures, as it gets everyone excited over what your gonna get, and makes allot of fleets different to another, although the figures can be badly painted, well to be honest most just look crap, so desperately need repainting if you want a good looking fleet (which is easy to do and makes it individual).

the rule system is extremely simple, which is great cus its just a pick up and play game, and the starter box comes with figures, maps, counters and dice, so you can play instantly without having to spend £300+ on an army

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I play it allot and have allot of models for it, it works well, but does need some restrictions as the American fleet is extremely overpowered if given freedom (its done by an American company so go figure).
Uh.... by the end of the war, the U.S. Fleet WAS overpowered. If you use the chronological restrictions, you'll find that my sunny little homeland is, of course, late to the party.... and the 1941-era battleships aren't up to snuff.

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the rule system is extremely simple, which is great cus its just a pick up and play game, and the starter box comes with figures, maps, counters and dice, so you can play instantly without having to spend 300+ on an army
But this, I'm in 100% agreement with.

"I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain."
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Uh.... by the end of the war, the U.S. Fleet WAS overpowered. If you use the chronological restrictions, you'll find that my sunny little homeland is, of course, late to the party.... and the 1941-era battleships aren't up to snuff.
Thats not what I mean, in the game the American fleet is seriously over the top in comparison to real life in both late AND early war, with dozens of special rules that don't even make sense for those ships, and all at a tiny tiny TINY cost, while something like the Japanese ships has underpowered, overcosted ships and aircraft at all year dates, even early on.

hell the company has the mockery to make the Iowas much better than the Yamatos for less points, when really in game terms they should be equal pegging, and the HMS Hood is the biggest joke in the game (not mentioning the Jean Bart).

the game is fun, and for the most part balanced, but the amount of american flag waving is rather annoying, and people are getting pissed off with it in both the naval game, and the land based system, but if your gaming group can get passed that and the American fleet players play fair (which would still give them a massive edge in all time periods) then its cheap to start and cheerful to play.


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[quote=Stella Cadente;451337]Thats not what I mean, in the game the American fleet is seriously over the top in comparison to real life in both late AND early war, with dozens of special rules that don't even make sense for those ships, and all at a tiny tiny TINY cost, while something like the Japanese ships has underpowered, overcosted ships and aircraft at all year dates, even early on.[quote]

.... Since my Japanese fleet has consistently pounded the snot out of every U.S. fleet we have locally? I have to question your analysis here. Long Lance Torpedoes for the win.

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hell the company has the mockery to make the Iowas much better than the Yamatos for less points, when really in game terms they should be equal pegging, and the HMS Hood is the biggest joke in the game (not mentioning the Jean Bart).
Uh... the Hood suffers from..... the same thing all Battlecruisers suffer from.

As for the Iowa vs. the Yamato- The Yamato and Musashi were indeed monsters.... but the tech gap between their inception and the Iowa Class is appreciable. I AM with you on the points for an Iowa-Class being a mite low, but I also have to point out, at the level of play they sugges,t if you bring either Yamato OR Iowa, you aren't going to have much else in your fleet.

You want a cause to complain?

Try the dirt-cheap Destroyer Escorts.

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.... Since my Japanese fleet has consistently pounded the snot out of every U.S. fleet we have locally? I have to question your analysis here. Long Lance Torpedoes for the win.
I have a Yank and Japanese fleet, and my win ration with the Japanese is 0 to everything, Long Lance don't mean squat when Yanks can just overpower with airbuilds which Japan cannot defend against at all in any year in this game.
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Uh... the Hood suffers from..... the same thing all Battlecruisers suffer from.
so all battlecruisers explode from a stiff breeze?, strange cus the USS Alaska sure damn well doesn't.
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only a problem if you destroyer swarm, which is pathetic.

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I have a Yank and Japanese fleet, and my win ration with the Japanese is 0 to everything, Long Lance don't mean squat when Yanks can just overpower with airbuilds which Japan cannot defend against at all in any year in this game.
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You must be doing something wrong, man.

All I can say.

'Cause as I've said, I can pound every U.S. fleet with have locally.

Including my own.

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so all battlecruisers explode from a stiff breeze?, strange cus the USS Alaska sure damn well doesn't.
But its armor IS a bad joke. Battlecruisers were never really meant to go toe to toe with heavy guns, they were meant to beat the crap out of weaker units. If uyou look at the Hood's "weakness," and compare it to its critical armor, you'll realize it's just window dressing.

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only a problem if you destroyer swarm, which is pathetic.
But a good way to have more than two ships in an Iowa-deployng fleet.

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But its armor IS a bad joke. Battlecruisers were never really meant to go toe to toe with heavy guns, they were meant to beat the crap out of weaker units. If uyou look at the Hood's "weakness," and compare it to its critical armor, you'll realize it's just window dressing.
I think were on a different page here, I'm on about Hoods 4 or more 6's and boom rule, her armour and stats are like all battlecruisers, amazing for taking on cruisers, not BB's, but her special rule makes no sense, sure we all know the Hood had her fatal flaw, but it should only apply from range 4+ and from guns mounted on bismark or bigger, not guns from Scharnhorst
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But a good way to have more than two ships in an Iowa-deployng fleet.
well we play 200-500pts, so we have no problem, and do not allow Iowa/bismark/whatever in 100pts games, because its daft.

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