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Not every black person is american.

Drawing any conclusion based on someone's skin colour (other than it is that colour) is racist surely. Beause you're distinguishing between people based on the colour of their skin.
what he means is, some things that are misunderstood as racist are actually not based off of race, rather culture.

in other words, it's like saying "all jews wear kippot" it's not necessarily correct either, but it's not based off of race, but culture.

so instead of "all black people play basketball" it's "all people who subscribe to 'black culture' play basketball"

note that these aren't necessarily correct either- some jews don't consider kippot necessary just as some black people (read: people who subscribe to "black culture") think basketball is stupid.

the point is- it's not based off of race

(BTW- "black culture" as used here is... well, black culture. soul plane, caddyshack, etc.)

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While what you said is logically sufficient, it is not acceptable. You can be a misanthrope while acknowledging it is wrong. You can hate everyone, and yet still hate yourself for hating everyone.
So I am wrong for being a misanthrope and accepting that?

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People are stupid. They are idiots, really. They are so dumb that they do not deserve your hate, they can't help it. It's not their fault if they are so stupid, they are merely victims. You should help them however you can and feel good about it without expecting any kind of positive reinforcement on their part, it will make your world even slightly bette. Otherwise, you will be miserable for nothing. And people are not good enough to deserve that you suffer.

This, my friend, is a misanthropic argument for philanthropy. Or, if you will, a misanthropic argument against misanthropy.

There you go.
You clearly don`t understand misanthropy. If you hate something, you generally wouldn`t aim to aid it would you? If you don`t (want to) understand that is fine, but please don`t think you can tell me how to believe what I do. Never do I act on my beliefs in the way a racist attacker would; if a stranger asked me for directions, I would help them. If someone needed a hand with something, I would help. Being a misanthrope does not mean I am some evil asshole out to destroy everyone`s fun, it is simply an outlook on mankind in general. I hate what we have become, what I think we are going to be. If I learned today that the species would be wiped out tomorrow, I would not shed a tear.

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I have found that so so so many people love to play the race card, I have seen people get found with illegal substances, and weapons by the police, and say "its because im___ (Insert persons origins or race here) Its fucking idiotic. Your the racest if your pulling race. Not the person busting you for being a dumbass.
I see this too often from all sides. Predominantly at the Shopping centre that houses my nearest GW store. People love to congregate here, as it`s one of the largest shopping centres in the southern hemisphere. Australia is a multiculturalist nation (worst idea ever) so arguments inevitably ensue.

Asians, Blacks, Lebanese, Whites, Indians, I have seen them all at one point or another. They have no reason to fight, they simply do out of hate.

On a happy note, there are people of several races at my work and in my circles of friends. We share joke with an indian fellow at work regarding the state of the venues at Delhi for the Commonwealth games. We always tread carefully around what he has built (we work in a kitchen factory) to "make sure it doesn`t collapse. One time we even wrote an elaborate "Caution: Fragile, Made by Indian" on the side of one of his cabinets in permanent marker.

He laughed as hard as the rest of us because he knew it was a joke. He is actually one of the better assemblers in the factory. So is this considered racist? If it is simply a joke, and the affected person has no problem, is it still wrong?

On a similar note, one of the guys in our gaming circle is asian. Whenever a math related issue arises, we look to him as a joke and ask him the answer. Naturally, he doesn`t know, and we remark stuff like "You`re the worst asian ever," and as in my above example, he takes it in good humour, usually hitting back with a snide remark of his own. We of Irish descent are usually the easiest targets.

I am of English/Irish background. I am neither a tea drinking nancy nor a hard drinking wife beater.

I work a physically demanding job, and I don`t drink.

Racial stereotypes are bullshit, so I pay them no mind. It`s a shame more can`t do the same.


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Why all the emphasis on racism?

I thought racism was the most easily debunked stereotype out there. I mean, the discrimination still exist, but isn't it "self evident" for everyone that racism is wrong?

Why can't we get over it?
Why can't we move on?

Aren't there more urgent issues necessiting our attention?
What is so singular with racism that the issue has to be treated alone?
Why not include sexism, agism, homophobia, xenophobia, etc. in the debates where we include racism?

Those are open questions...

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but isn't it "self evident" for everyone that racism is wrong?
You'd be surprised. People have no problem using racism as a weapon and extorting it for self-gain off the people who do think it's wrong. It's really sad.

As for the main topic, I haven't experienced "racism" exactly, but I have experienced prejudice. I had two separate homophobic managers that fired me after finding out I was transgender. One of them went as far as calling me a faggot while I was holding an exacto blade in my hand... That was my first real experience with prejudice, and it was really interesting to experience after I had time to cool down.

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You'd be surprised. People have no problem using racism as a weapon and extorting it for self-gain off the people who do think it's wrong. It's really sad.
I agree, most people who complain about racism are at least accepted by a race. The hardest group that I have seen face the full effects of racism are half breeds like myself. Not accepted by any race and often being stereotyped by both races. I think its more a problem for younger kids like most racism but its often quite sad.

My experience. Lived in South America for a while I was often referred to being white and Gringo got picked and beaten up for it. So I think I got the idea that I was actually white. So here I am going to the United States thinking I'm white, having a discussion with one of my friends that regard themselves as liberal and open minded about things. I fill out one of those college questionaires (one question about what race I am), my friend stops me before I fill out the bubble and says, your not white, your hispanic. I must confess that kind of hurt. And even my friends knowing my previous history would not regard me as being one of them. Not being accepted by any race sucks ass. I say fuck what other people say, be proud of what you are and where your from. If you let other people define you, thats exactly what they'll do, and most of the time they aren't even trying to hurt you. You got define yourself.

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I agree, most people who complain about racism are at least accepted by a race. The hardest group that I have seen face the full effects of racism are half breeds like myself. Not accepted by any race and often being stereotyped by both races. I think its more a problem for younger kids like most racism but its often quite sad.

My experience. Lived in South America for a while I was often referred to being white and Gringo got picked and beaten up for it. So I think I got the idea that I was actually white. So here I am going to the United States thinking I'm white, having a discussion with one of my friends that regard themselves as liberal and open minded about things. I fill out one of those college questionaires (one question about what race I am), my friend stops me before I fill out the bubble and says, your not white, your hispanic. I must confess that kind of hurt. And even my friends knowing my previous history would not regard me as being one of them. Not being accepted by any race sucks ass. I say fuck what other people say, be proud of what you are and where your from. If you let other people define you, thats exactly what they'll do, and most of the time they aren't even trying to hurt you. You got define yourself.
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I haven't experienced racism personally, but I admit to handing out my fair share when I'm working.

for example whenever there is an Indian wedding being put on where I work its nothing but a negative image on indians, all the weddings are fixed weddings, so a dumb woman too stupid to say no being forced on some ugly bloke, and all the people are extremely ignorant, you tell them not to go here or there they go there and here, you tell them what they can't do and they still do it, and they look and speak to you like your some shit on there boot.

or at various trade shows when we have stands handing out free items or samples, you'll see indians loading trolly bags full of items, taking them to there cars and coming back for more, so we banned large bags like that in the halls that the show is on in and they bitch and moan and complain at how unfair it is and everyone else has to suffer for there greed, we even had a whole famikly come in once with a disabled lady on a chair, and when they came out all the kids were carrying bags full of merchandise and the wheelchair was stacked with the stuff, and then the old lady struggles out carrying bags while barely walking with a stick.

you just can't help call them an ignorant disgusting people when you see that happen, I'm not saying all indians are like that, but when you see a minority do this all the time, it gives the Majority a really bad reputation.

the same with french, there just completely ignorant, there another bunch where if you tell them what to do they ignore you and think there superior to you, inside work I hate dealing with them, and outside work I want to hit the garlic sniffing surrender monkeys.

an example that stands out in my mind for them would be on a bus, 2 french guys sitting in the disabled area with about 6 large bags all over the floor not in the bag area, there bags kept falling over and hitting this one lady across from them, when she complained they acted like there the ones being disturbed by all this, so they move the one bag complaining in there stupid language and tutting, and when a lady in a wheelchair comes on again they complain and moan and tut when the driver has to tell them to move for the lady.

I can't stand them at all.

but I've seen brits just as bad, but you sort of expect it where i work because most of them are Jaguar driving suit wearing company executives who believe themselves superior to jesus, or just builder bum showing stand builders who don't know what work is and hate being told what to do.

give me a nice well mannered hard working polish guy any day of the week.


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you know what racism i have experienced GW's racism on Necrons, why do they hate them so much.

But one of the things that drives me crazy is all the racism in USA i mean statistically 98.5% of the people here dont come from here and yet you see and read about people yelling at other races to go back where they came from.

i would not be surprised to hear some dumb ass racist person tell a couple of Native Americans conversing in their own language to "Speak English your in America" or " why don't you go back to your own country" Thats just because i have yet to meet an intelligent person that believes in racist credos.


However on a possitive note. we are getting better i mean things are not as bad as 100 years ago and i believe they are getting better every year.

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I haven't experienced racism personally, but I admit to handing out my fair share when I'm working.

for example whenever there is an Indian wedding being put on where I work its nothing but a negative image on indians, all the weddings are fixed weddings, so a dumb woman too stupid to say no being forced on some ugly bloke, and all the people are extremely ignorant, you tell them not to go here or there they go there and here, you tell them what they can't do and they still do it, and they look and speak to you like your some shit on there boot.

or at various trade shows when we have stands handing out free items or samples, you'll see indians loading trolly bags full of items, taking them to there cars and coming back for more, so we banned large bags like that in the halls that the show is on in and they bitch and moan and complain at how unfair it is and everyone else has to suffer for there greed, we even had a whole famikly come in once with a disabled lady on a chair, and when they came out all the kids were carrying bags full of merchandise and the wheelchair was stacked with the stuff, and then the old lady struggles out carrying bags while barely walking with a stick.

you just can't help call them an ignorant disgusting people when you see that happen, I'm not saying all indians are like that, but when you see a minority do this all the time, it gives the Majority a really bad reputation.

the same with french, there just completely ignorant, there another bunch where if you tell them what to do they ignore you and think there superior to you, inside work I hate dealing with them, and outside work I want to hit the garlic sniffing surrender monkeys.

an example that stands out in my mind for them would be on a bus, 2 french guys sitting in the disabled area with about 6 large bags all over the floor not in the bag area, there bags kept falling over and hitting this one lady across from them, when she complained they acted like there the ones being disturbed by all this, so they move the one bag complaining in there stupid language and tutting, and when a lady in a wheelchair comes on again they complain and moan and tut when the driver has to tell them to move for the lady.

I can't stand them at all.

but I've seen brits just as bad, but you sort of expect it where i work because most of them are Jaguar driving suit wearing company executives who believe themselves superior to jesus, or just builder bum showing stand builders who don't know what work is and hate being told what to do.

give me a nice well mannered hard working polish guy any day of the week.
this is exactly what I'm talking about- bolded parts are about culture rather than race- they say "people who buy into this culture suck" instead of "people who have this set of genes suck."

in other words, according to bolded, it doesn't matter if you're black, white, indian or whatever if you're riding an elephant at your wedding, you're a douche

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you know what? forget bolded, the entire post supports this

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