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Might of got the wrong end of the stick, but whilst I was watching BBC News, they mentioned one of Obama's policies is to higher taxes and "Spread the wealth around." Is that socialism? Or have I just got it completely wrong.

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Jesus, no.

Despite the spin on both candidates, they both qualify as moderates. Sure, the left plays up McCain as a staunch conservative, and the right plays up Obama as a raving socialist, but that's just spin. In reality, you more or less have to be a moderate to run for president.

Check out the Political Compass website some time; most American presidents fall surprisingly close to the middle (and thus each other).



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Honestly, in my opinion no matter what they call themselves or what the Media labels them as, they are all the same. Pieces of shit more concerned with their rich buddies and hefty pocket books than the people they are supposed to be working for. Us.

I don't really care what the spin says he is. What really bothers me is Obama's sympathy for radical muslim terrorist or terrorist affiliated groups. We are at war with these people and he wants to get in bed with them. I call that a Traitor. Also, he can not prove that he is an American citizen. He was born in Kenya, all that he has been able to provide is a transcripted "certificate of live birth" that was written when his mother returned to the US after he was born (which by the way was not within the 8 day limit for him to be declared a US citizen after birth). By the constitution a presidential candidate must be a born American citizen. Why the flying fuck is he still in the running is my question.

No shit, I believe that if he gets elected president we will most likely see an assassination within the next 4 years.
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I'm sure Obama believes that the middle-easterners can coexist peacefully without fighting each other anymore. I, personally, don't believe thats possible, but good on him for his optimism. Considering they sell us most of our oil for the time being, it's not a bad idea to try to put ourselves in a better light with them until we can get ourselves off foreign oil or, even better, find an alternate form of energy. As for being an American Citizen, do you honestly believe that the CIA, FBI, and other organizations wouldn't do an extremely thorough check on his citizenship before even letting him consider running for president? How can you be so blind and ignorant?

Assassination? Whats to stop McCain from keeling over and dying of a heart attack? He'd be the oldest president elected to date and he's already had bouts with Cancer. It's starting to look like he may get it again too. And if he dies, Palin becomes president? Is that a joke? She charged women for rape kits until the federal government stepped in and made her stop. She was governor of a city of 6,000 people and the McCain campaign says she actually has experience because of it. She was also convicted of abusing her power in office when she got her brother-in-law fired from his job. What's she going to do in office? Picking Palin was merely a tactic to get the women's vote and the Clinton supporters who believed they were slighted when Obama won. It shows how power hungry or stupid she is for accepting the candidacy for vice president.



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How can you be so blind and ignorant?
I'm neither blind nor ignorant, resorting to demeaning me is not necessary. I have different opinions than you do, that's the beauty of this country. Your precious federal organisations aren't going to get involved when the guys who are behind Obama are the same guys behind those agencies. I worked for the govenment, I know how it operates. Google Obama's birth information and you'll find a lawsuit (several actually) against him for said birth certificate. If you check the information you'll see that my statement is valid as well as factual.

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Here are some excerpts from the second article:
In a startling development, Obama's Kenyan grandmother has reportedly alleged she witnessed Obama's birth at the Coast Provincial Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya.

Although the Obama campaign could immediately put an end to all the challenges by simply producing the candidate's original birth certificate, it has not done so. And the "Fight the Smears" website offers no explanation as to why Obama has refused to request, and make public, an original hospital-generated birth certificate which the Hawaii Department of Health may possess

Seems a little shady he doesn't want anybody to see it now doesn't it.

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Obama has not held any job that required a background check, no not even Senator. He does not hold a security clearance as a member of the Senate. HOWEVER, his associations with Bill Ayers and Bernadette Dorn would immediately disqualify him for a security clearance. Funny thing, that. He could become President and not be able to see any top-secret information because he can't hold a clearance. I know he will see it because the office confers that level of clearance. It's still messed up that somebody with long-time associations with domestic terrorists and anti-American sympathizers is actually this close to the White House. And yes, wealth redistribution is socialism.

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Obama has not held any job that required a background check, no not even Senator. He does not hold a security clearance as a member of the Senate. HOWEVER, his associations with Bill Ayers and Bernadette Dorn would immediately disqualify him for a security clearance. Funny thing, that. He could become President and not be able to see any top-secret information because he can't hold a clearance. I know he will see it because the office confers that level of clearance. It's still messed up that somebody with long-time associations with domestic terrorists and anti-American sympathizers is actually this close to the White House. And yes, wealth redistribution is socialism.

Another good point why he should not even be running for office.
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Please. Just don't even go there.

He knew some radical people in the 60's. Who didn't? There were quite a few around back then.

And the Obama campaign has a very good reason to refuse to comment on the supposedly forged birth certificate...it's Obama's birth certificate. Would you allow public access to personal documentation? I certainly wouldn't.

All that you've mentioned is merely hype by an increasingly desperate McCain campaign, an attempt to discredit Obama sufficiently to stand a chance next Tuesday. And the funny thing is, the vast majority of people don't seem to be buying it. Sorry guys, but this time, I have to cry bullshit.



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As much as I want to believe the birth certificate thing, it's been pushed by a guy who has already been discredited for pushing hoaxes. Anyways, loyalist, he met Ayers and Dorn in the 90s, not the 60s. He launched his campaign for state legislature from their living room.

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Don't get me wrong, I don't want either of them as President. VOTE FOR NADER!!!
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