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Could you shoot me the link as well, Son of Horus? That whole situation's kind of a budding interest for me...

As far as financial irresponsibility, well, I don't see how the current administration's been any kind of responsible with our money. I mean, no government in the history of mankind has successfully cut taxes in time of war. And yet, this administration does. It makes no sense whatsoever.

What scares me is that McCain seems to advocate roughly the same policy. It simply isn't feasible. Which is why Obama's plan makes more sense to me...make the people who make more money pay more taxes. Seems to me they're the ones who can afford it.

I dunno; I guess Obama's suggested policy appeals to my sense of fairness. Let's face it; if you're making over 250 k a year, you're not likely to be performing manual labor to make your money. The idea that you're being 'penalized for working harder' is frankly untrue. You're simply being asked to shoulder a greater portion of the tax burden specifically because you have the wherewithal to withstand it.

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The problem is that Obama's plan has failed already. Even Charles Gibson told him that higher taxes on the rich has never resulted in more government funds, actually it resulted in less. You know what his answer was? "Well, it's only fair."

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Obama is a socialist. Here's why: His 95% tax break on the surface sounds good but 42% of that 95% dont pay that tax anyway. So how do you tax zero? You dont. Now the other 53% who do get taxed have their taxed money given to those who didnt pay the tax in the first place. That is redistribution of wealth. That is socialism.
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And socialism is bad because....?

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Would there be less of a risk of an assassination/attempt on Obama or any other candidate, if people didn't have the right to bear arms. Saw on the news these nutters who were going to dress up in white tuxes and top hats and try and blast a shotgun at Obama. Somehow, I think it may be slightly easier to prevent assassinations and shootings if you couldn't by Desert Eagles in Wal-Mart.


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If I, in the UK, wanted to get hold of a weapon to kill a prominent politician I probably could. Gun control is not much cop at stopping things like assassinations.

Note to MI5, I am not planning to do this.

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And socialism is bad because....?
I wonder that too sometimes. I think it's mainly because we Americans tend to want an abundance of personal freedom and with Socialism, from what I understand, there are very high taxes so not as much personal wealth to use on our own. However, the trade off on that is that there's health care for all and some other stuff that we don't have in the US.



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chris, if someone wanted to kill a politician in the UK they could, gun control or not. i remember reading something in a lads mag (credible source, i know) that one of their journalists was able to walk into a pub in manchester and find an arms dealer within 10 minutes of being there.
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I wonder that too sometimes. I think it's mainly because we Americans tend to want an abundance of personal freedom and with Socialism, from what I understand, there are very high taxes so not as much personal wealth to use on our own. However, the trade off on that is that there's health care for all and some other stuff that we don't have in the US.
Socialism is bad because it encourages mediocrity. You are never allowed to reach your full potential. In a socialist society, people like Bill Gates, Michael Dell, and the Ford family would have to give away all the wealth that they earned, yes EARNED, from building their companies. That's not fairness. Socialism is only fair to the poor and to disaffected college kids. Equality of opportunity is the only true fairness in the world.

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but McCain still gets my vote over Obama, because McCain would never in a million years help arm a violent militia whose sole aim is to destroy the state of Israel and replace it with a fundamentalist muslim one.
When McCain was chairman of the International Republican Institute (IRI) they gave several grants, including one for about a half million dollars to a 'research center' co-founded by former PLO spokesman Rashid Khalidi.

I can send a link to the article I found that in if you want. So whatever you think about Obama, McCain's hands aren't clean either.

Back to the preposterous socialism claims. Obama isn't the first person who thinks people who have more should pay more. It's not unique, it's not part of some secret socialist agenda. The fact that the rich already pay a higher percentage of taxes tells you all you need to know. Rich people have been taxed for decades and we haven't become a communist workers paradise yet. So what's different about Obama tring to help the middle class than all the other tax legislation through the years?

Meanwhile, if you actually look up what "Socialism" means, instead of just repeating whatever buzz word of the day the right wing wags spit out, you'd see how insane this whole charge is.

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a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
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were set up, unlike other states in the union, where its collectively Alaskans own the resources. So we share in the wealth when the development of these resources occurs.
So Obama wanting to help struggling middle class families by giving them a tax break is wildly socialist, making him a dangerous commie.

But Palin brags about how the people of alaska 'collectively own the resources' and 'share the wealth' and that's NOT socialist? Seriously? The oil resources are owned by "the people" so when an oil company exploits them, the government mails everyone an equal cut of the profits...that's not socialist?

So why not drop the pointless, nonsensical crap and talk about real policies.

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