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The minimum wage in Australia currently is set to $16.87 per hour, however this is presuming an adult worker. I'm quite sure it's legal to pay somebody under the age of 18 less than this, which is why generally places like McDonalds prefer to hire teenagers. As I understand it it's only a margin of a few dollars per hour but over a week that can make a difference.

Essentially, this provides enough for most adults to live on on a weekly basis.

This would roughly equate to about $500 per week if it was converted to US currency. But I know the actual rate is much lower than that. So I wonder; if Mimimum wage in the US is not enough to live off, how the hell is it justified? And how will replacing those workers solve any problems without creating more?
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I actually work for McDonalds in a UK store, we've had these checkouts for a while, just self order points really. They help cut down queue times but would never replace staff. Minimum wage in the UK is plenty for me to live off as a student just working weekends!

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I actually work for McDonalds in a UK store, we've had these checkouts for a while, just self order points really. They help cut down queue times but would never replace staff. Minimum wage in the UK is plenty for me to live off as a student just working weekends!
yeah but thats in the UK I worked for MCDs for 3 years myself, could get a good enough living out of it.
but would not say the money pairs up to the shit work conditions me and my coworkers where working in (at my location anyhow).
there is a vast difference with the US minimum wage and ours tho.

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I dunno about you, but If I had twice my wage i'd be spending it more. This miht not affect you 100granders but for me to get 80k, my quality of life would amplify tenfold. As would that of people I know who are on a yearly salary of 13k, half that of the national average.

So when you are criticising someone for working in macdonalds and asking for better working conditions, you are the kind of person taking money out of the economy.

Think about it this way. I work in contracts. My company builds houses. I make my money by ensuring that the guys we hire do what is needed within the money allocated to them. We make houses 400k (the equivalent of the american 650k house), because the 80k affprdable housing a) cpsts too much to build, b) has few people who it would be intended for capable of buying them, because low paying jobs who used to be able to get them like in cottage industries or its modern equivalent which is the service industry cannot afford even the lowest level of housing, and t is bought by landowners who further sap money out of the economy in that manner.

And no, it is near impossible to build a house for less than 60k in this inudstry.



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Are these kiosks going to magically keep the soft-serve ice cream machines from being out of order fucking CONSTANTLY?


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The minimum wage in Australia currently is set to $16.87 per hour, however this is presuming an adult worker. I'm quite sure it's legal to pay somebody under the age of 18 less than this, which is why generally places like McDonalds prefer to hire teenagers. As I understand it it's only a margin of a few dollars per hour but over a week that can make a difference.

Essentially, this provides enough for most adults to live on on a weekly basis.

This would roughly equate to about $500 per week if it was converted to US currency. But I know the actual rate is much lower than that. So I wonder; if Mimimum wage in the US is not enough to live off, how the hell is it justified? And how will replacing those workers solve any problems without creating more?
Well, it used to be like that, I remember working a Taco Bell for my fast food job, the Fryer/Dishwasher was 16, the assembly guy was 17, the Cashier was 18, Shift Manager was 24, Store Manager was 30. Now, I would almost say that I defy you to find a teenager working in fast food.

$16.87 AUS is equal to $13.22 USA (+-), by a 32 hour maximum part time = $423.04. Right now the National rate is $7.25 USA (01/01/2014). A lot of the resentment for increasing the wage that high is can be found when you look at other jobs. Looking through my state's employment office we find jobs like this: Diesel Mechanic $15.00, Construction General Laborer $10.00, Bookkeeper $12.50, Customer Service Supervisor $15.00, Drug testing center facility manager $15.00, Brick Mason $15.00, Forklift Operator $15.27 Building Engineer 1 $10.00, Plumber 1 $15.00, School Bus Driver $15.00, HVAC Technician $12.00, Welder $17.00... And on and on. Of course, this will be more in States like California and less in states like Mississippi.

When we see the pay rate they want to move into you can start to hear the complaints coming, People in management positions and skilled workers who spent years and thousands of dollars in education and training, Construction workers who spend all day out in the sun carrying heavy shit. An Engineer make $10/hour, someone who has gone to college for 8 years, and they think their ability to say "would you like fries with that?" compares to the Engineer's ability to stress equations. And we're not going to get started about the military's complaints about this.
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Are these kiosks going to magically keep the soft-serve ice cream machines from being out of order fucking CONSTANTLY?
That implies that the ice cream machine was ever working to begin with.
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When we see the pay rate they want to move into you can start to hear the complaints coming, People in management positions and skilled workers who spent years and thousands of dollars in education and training, Construction workers who spend all day out in the sun carrying heavy shit. An Engineer make $10/hour, someone who has gone to college for 8 years, and they think their ability to say "would you like fries with that?" compares to the Engineer's ability to stress equations. And we're not going to get started about the military's complaints about this.
Well of course. You make people pay to earn qualifications that are needed rather than have them freely available to learn, then they spend so long in their industry (if they're lucky enough to even get in) paying off the debt on their education to get the job.

We will always need engineers, able bodied construction workers and medical professionals. It seems pretty stupid that we charge people to learn these essential skills. I should probably also point out that most corporations employing these individuals could rather easily afford to pay their workers more. Even a few dollars per hour is going to make a lot of difference.

But, given that boardrooms full of half brained executives are running the show over there, it's easy to understand why the American economy is little more than the polished turd that it is. Land of Opportunity right?


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