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It was in English as opposed to Russian so pbbbbhht

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As too all of that stuff that just happened between you and Gen in regards to sat photos. A good chunk of the world decided to call a emergency UN meetings over those photos so they do have a place in this discussion.
Yes they did. And UN decided that there is not enough proof that the Russian forces are in "not Russia".
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I'm not sure if these articles or issues have been discussed:

An article about the parents of Russian soldiers and the response of their government to inquiries about their children:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...ine-war-asking
This article references another article on BBC website as its source of information. First of all, BBC is not a source I would personally trust. Second, BBC articles says "Many are from units normally stationed in Chechnya and neighbouring North Ossetia, she says. There are also reports of several funerals of soldiers in another republic in the northern Caucasus, Dagestan."
This are not exactly "kosher" places and the Russian troops are fighting Islamic insurgents there which BBC website calls simply "fighters". I can't say the Russian soldiers didn't die in "not Russia" and there is a government conspiracy to cover it but it does sound like some shit was going on on regular bases in Russian army and it being exposed and used in conjunction with the civil war in "not Russia".

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An article that purports 100 Russian soldiers died in a missile attack fired by the Ukrainian army, with many more wounded:

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/0...40828?irpc=932
This article actually quotes "Over 100 Russian soldiers killed in single Ukraine battle". The quote belongs to the "Russian rights activists" who apparently "had spoken to around 10 relatives of the dead and fellow soldiers who witnessed the attack, some of whom had accompanied the bodies back to Russia." ""When I talk to the guys who accompanied these coffins of these contract soldiers, they tell me that the order was given orally, there were no forms of documents."
My question is, are this "contractors" retarded? How are they supposed to get payed at all if there is no paperwork about them going out of the gates of their base? They are not conscripts, they don't face a jail time for refusing to serve. As very well payed professionals they can tell the government "FU" and walk away any day.
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I viewed those links as half ass attempts to translate these for English speakers.

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All I can see in this "column of Russian armour" a mixture of:
1. MT-LB transporter with a ZU-23-2 towable anti-aircraft autocannon sitting on the top of it.
2. another MT-LB with ZU-23-2 on the top.
3. It looks to me like T-72.
4. An old Ural model track with some piece of towed artillery behind it.
5. A MT-LB variant called "9K35 Strela-10" (NATO designation SA-13 "Gopher")
6. BMP-2
7. Another old Ural model track with some piece of towed artillery behind it.
8. Looks like another T-72 (or repainted T-64, I can't tell, it drives too fast to catch all the details.)
9. Another old Ural model track with some piece of towed artillery behind it.
10. Another MT-LB transporter with a ZU-23-2 towable anti-aircraft autocannon sitting on the top of it.
11. MT-LB transporter with troops on the top of it.
12. It looks like T-80 or maybe T-84
13. Most likely T-64.
14. MT-LB transporter
15. BMP-2

100% looks like a column of mixed armour and weapons rebels would acquired during the fights with "not Russian" army. All weapons and armour made during the USSR and there is nothing new, which could only be traced to Russian army is in this column.

"Joseph Dempsey, an analyst with the International Institute for Strategic Studies, told the BBC that one of the tanks is something called a T-72BM, a modern variant identifiable by its special "Kontakt-5 Explosive Reactive" armor, and one that Russia has not exported but uses heavily in its own military. That is a new development, and one that suggests not just that Russia is invading, but being increasingly brazen about it.
Dempsey told the BBC, "The Soviet-era tanks operated by the separatists have until now represented those that could have been potentially acquired internally within Ukraine, providing a degree of plausible deniability to any suspected third-party supplier." That degree of plausible deniability is now gone."


This "analyst" is an idiot. Even the wikipedia article lists "Kontakt-5 Explosive Reactive" armor designed during the USSR so "not Russia", being a major manufacturer and the military storage territory would've had plenty of it in its military depots.

Kontakt-5 is a type of third-generation explosive reactive armour (ERA) originating in the Soviet Union. It is the first type of ERA which is effectively able to defeat modern armour-piercing fin-stabilized discarding sabot (APFSDS) rounds.
Introduced on the T-80U tank in 1985, Kontakt-5 is made up of "bricks" of explosive sandwiched between two metal plates. The plates are arranged in such a way as to move sideways rapidly when the explosive detonates. This will force an incoming kinetic energy penetrator or shaped charge jet to cut through more armour than the thickness of the plating itself, since "new" plating is constantly fed into the penetrating body. A kinetic energy penetrator will also be subjected to powerful sideways forces, which might be large enough to cut the rod into two or more pieces. This will significantly reduce the penetrating capabilities of the penetrator, since the penetrating force will be dissipated over a larger volume of armour.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kontakt-5

And there is no such model designation as "T-72MB", there is however T-72 Main Battle tank which was designed again in the USSR and which "not Russia" used to have plenty.

The Western media "accidentally" forgets that a week ago 311 "not Russian" troops were allowed to enter and surrender to the Russian troops in order to be sent back home after the rebels negotiated with them that in exchange for a safe passage to the border with Russia they would leave all their weapons and armour behind. They did and now the rebels use all of it against the rest of the "not Russian" army.

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Fuck you seperatist cunts. They had the right idea with William Wallace. #getoffmyland
That's what I said when the current "not Russia", Baltic states, Georgia and the rest "banana" -stan republics decided to leave the USSR. We should've used the napalm on them but no-o-o-o-o, the fucking commies who were in power at that time were full of shit and that "all people are comrades" nonsense. As far as I am concerned the only good commie is a dead commie.
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"Not Russia" government is planing the fourth wave of conscription. Basically the local police will be grabbing any male of 18-50 years of age they can find on the streets and will send them to protect "mother-not-Russia". Obviously even in the previous conscript waves people who were sent out to kill officially still their own citizens don't know how and don't want to fight so it's much easier for the "not Russia" propagandists and their puppeteers from Washington to blame the rebel's military success on mythical "Russian army".

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Russian paras are returned to Russia: http://rt.com/news/183916-russian-pa...eased-ukraine/

Still no news from the shot down Malaysian Airliner investigation.
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