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Default [NSFW] Thoughts on this highly controversial Warhammer 40,000 diorama.

First off, I hope this isn't breaking forum rules regarding adult content. This one includes attempted rape and nudity. It's disturbing. But amongst the disgust this piece elicits it also is very, very clever. For this reason I've put it in spoilers, and I hope it doesn't show on the page without clicking the link first. It doesn't in preview.



Here's the truth, this is the first thing I've felt compelled to write and talk about on the forums in a long while. It's an odd sort of art. I've already put forward my mixed thoughts on the matter. Here they are:

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Well this is quite disturbing, a 40k diorama depicting attempted rape. Really brings that out a whole other level of wrongness in the 'grim darkness of the far future'. Whilst this piece is definitely not safe for work, and evokes some substantial disgust, it oddly hits a note. The expressions on each individual in this immoral piece really tell you what they're thinking, and the guardsman who looks like he's on the verge of turning against his squad in pure objection really leaves a lingering impression. It feels like something from 'Platoon', but for 40k. It's a disturbingly honest image of war and xenophobia, not some aggrandised propaganda poster or stylised set-piece. Oddly, I suppose that makes it art.
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I hope that the painter did this more as a mature statement rather than some weird hobby fetish. I think the piece goes so far to show it's a statement. If that's the case it goes to show how one picture can speak volumes with no words.

Think of this same piece if it was a scene you’d seen in a movie – say something like ‘Platoon’. We wouldn't talk about how messed up the director is. We’d rather take it as a mature statement of what’s endemically wrong with war and xenophobia. The content would take the film to new depths, and I can’t help but feel that’s what this diorama has the potential of – taking something like 40k, and adding more depth to its storytelling capability. In which case, it’d be like the many utterly perverted things that happen in Game of Thrones. It’s not to say that they’re right, it’s to say that the artist feels we deserve a story that challenges us, and allows us to see why certain things should never happen, without having to undergo them personally.

We watch films and read books where this sort of detail is visited upon. Maybe I’m seeing it as something more than it is, but I feel this piece has had a similar effect on me that a challenging story would. That’s why I’m compelled to review it.
There's my two cents. It'd be interesting to hear what you all make of it.

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It has no place in the hobby. Disgusting to think of the time and effort put into it.

Disgusting.

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to be honest untill I noticed that one guy was holding her torso armour, I thought the other guy undoing his zipper was going to piss on her.

In both cases I would wonder about the psychological and mental health of the maker. rape and abuse is not something to display like that, especialy not in this hobby. wich fair is fair. attracts quite some people from an underaged public
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Going to move this thread to off topic as this is really not the place to discuss this type of work.

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Gonna be perfectly honest, at first I saw nothing wrong with that piece. That is until I got to the close up shot of the guy undoing his pants, at which point my first thought was: 'why did this guy decide to spend all this time and effort on that?'

The paint jobs are spectacular, I just don't get why he/she decided to bother with the scene at all beyond being controversial.

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The paint jobs are spectacular, I just don't get why he/she decided to bother with the scene at all beyond being controversial.
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I just don't get why he/she decided to bother with the scene at all beyond being controversial.
It's art. How many intentionally controversial art pieces/movies/songs can you think of, even JUST those that deal with rape?

I'm curious about the reasons behind it, but the level of skill involved in sculpting and painting this piece is mind blowing.

Unfortunately Canada got rid of the penny and now my two cents rounds down to zero, so...take it for what you will.

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Why is it disgusting? In the grim dark future there is only war and everything that comes with it, including rape,abuse and gore.

Why is it okay for dioramas to display mass murder,slaughter,torture but not rape and abuse? I understand this are not part's of the actual hobby, people play games to escape real world problems. But one can not say this is disgusting and has no place in 40k. Its the same as saying its not okay to paint it on a canvas.

Rape and abuse are all real parts of war. The artist presented a less shown part of it and is getting scorned for this. Is it where the truth hurts? Do you think it does not happen in real world? Does not happen in afghan and syria right now? Did not happen in Vietnam? Iraq? WW2? WW1 ?
Rape,abuse,murder,kidnapping,paedophilia would all be a common place in underhives and war ridden worlds all across Imperium.
You are looking at 40k with rose tinted glasses of a world with great heroes, noble deeds and forgetting how dark and sad the that world is.
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we all know even a half naked eldar woman will be handing these guys there shrunken nut sacks back about ten seconds after that diorama is set.Sadly it really depicts one of the very realities and horrors of war fare,this is exactly the shit that is going on in warzones all over our planet right now, does it have any place in the hobby? of course not, but its a great reminder that we play "war" games for fun.



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The paint jobs are spectacular, I just don't get why he/she decided to bother with the scene at all beyond being controversial.
I agree with you as well, it's stunningly beautifull and very telling but it's not something I would spend my time on. Then again, I would spend my time building mass graves as terrain for my table but atleast those have some purpose

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