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its also illegal to die in the house of lords.

well, you learn something new every day.
wat the hell if u die will the charge u or something like that
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No, they take your body outside and pronounce you dead there instead.

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. the differance between McCain and obama is that mccain is actualy capable of forming educated opinions on military situations due to the fact that he's been in them, not opinions based on the idealistic view of a man that has never been in combat. other than that look at each parties agenda cause thats probly the line each canidate will push to keep his support in the house and senate
if you remember i asked for an actual answer to my question. remember this forum is for 'intelligent' conversation. its not hard, really.

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Here's your sign...

http://www.ontheissues.org/default.htm

That link is non-partisan, and while some things are slightly misleading due to brevity, they'll give you all you need to know about each pundit.

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Here's my take on the candidates...

Obama and McCain are about as different as the US political system allows two candidates to be...not only in their stances on issues, but also in their relationship to their respective parties. McCain's coming off as fairly conservative at this point, whilst simulataneously trying to distance himself from Bush. I don't find that overly convincing.

Obama, on the other hand, did something that impressed the hell out of me. Just after Clinton announced the impending suspension of her campaign, Obama flat out dictated to the Democratic Party that they would not accept money from Political Action Committees and lobbyists...essentially continuing his policy of running a campaign on individual donations (which are carefully restricted to relatively low dollar amounts under campaign finance law). This makes him much less beholden to various organizations for a victory, and thus much more independent than any candidate has been over the last few decades.

The other big issue I see is the war. McCain has stated flat out that he won't pull out until 'the job's done,' a process that he has admitted could take decades. Obama, on the other hand, supports immediate withdrawal of US troops. Make of those positons what you will...

As for the 'experience issue,' with all due respect, McCain has exactly as much experience running a country as Obama does...absolutely none. It's an entirely different job from serving in the military or on the Senate. In my mind, there's absolutely no 'issue' at all.

Finally, I won't ever claim Obama isn't a career politician. He comes from Illinois, and Chicago politics have long been considered some of the roughest in the country. He's good at what he does; it seems to me he's as idealistic as it's possible to be whilst still coming from the Illinois arena. In the interests of full disclosure, Obama's got my vote. I think this country's a hell of a lot better prepared for a black president than it is for another disaster like we've faced for the last eight years.



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i could not have said it better
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Im surprised Bush isnt allowed to go outside because of worrying about assassination from either terrorists or our own citizens because of the pure hatred against him. Obama should be fine, a couple of haters because of the usual racisists, but your always gonna have them anywhere you go.

My vote has to be for Obama because Bush ruined the Republicans for me, I cant trust any of them now.

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Im surprised Bush isnt allowed to go outside because of worrying about assassination from either terrorists or our own citizens because of the pure hatred against him. Obama should be fine, a couple of haters because of the usual racisists, but your always gonna have them anywhere you go.

My vote has to be for Obama because Bush ruined the Republicans for me, I cant trust any of them now.

Actually, aside from a few wild-eyed liberals who don't like the idea of the 2nd amendment anyway, I don't know anyone who hate the president that much. That being the case, he's less likely to be assassinated than some other presidents we've had.

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Erm...let's not go there. Seriously. BIIIG change in topic. Have an e-beer instead!





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Erm...let's not go there. Seriously. BIIIG change in topic. Have an e-beer instead!


sweet
an e-beer sounds good

hey ev..everyone.........mere.......ha..ha..have...... ..an e-beer





sorry, had to have some fun, back on topic everyone

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