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Default Self Defence: Where is the line drawn?

Simple enough concept. I like many people have been receiving martial arts training for some time now and have developed a set of skills which could be lethal if applied correctly. For those interested, what I am learning is a traditional kung fu comprised of various other styles.

Naturally, the aim of learning these skills is self defence. There are other benefits of course such as fitness, mental exercises and increased awareness, but ultimately the aim is that I can defend myself against potential attackers.


My question for those who have also received such training or similar is, where do you draw the line at defending yourself against another person?

For example, someone attacks you with a knife intending to kill you. Through fortune and his lack of skill you disarm him, but what next? Are you content to subdue him or would you retaliate to the same degree as he attacked you?

Assume that in the heat of the moment, legal concerns are absent from your mind.


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ok so valid question.... i have been learning for 15years and teaching for almost 10. by no means a master or anything, just can handle myself if needed.
now to answer your question, if being attacked by a knife attacker its now life or death and if you manage to disarm him i believe you have the right to give him something to remember his mistake by.
i have been in armed hold ups, fights and various other situations but where to draw the line is dependent on the person, what seem excessive to you wont be to me.
although out rightly killing someone is plainly just stupid
but in any combat the after effects will always outway the outcome i.e the law.
so in my humble opinion(for what its worth) if your going to fight make sure that the result is worth the punishment that shall follow.

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no more than absolutely necessary.

disarm... if they continue, more. stop once they back down or are unable to fight.

anything else and you are beyond defence and become the aggressor.

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if he "slips" and falls on his own knife I wont mourn the loss ;)

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No more than absolutely necessary. I'd disarm him and leave it at that, if he kept coming I'd shove him to the ground and keep him there, while yelling for help or calling the police.
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Against an armed attacker just do your best to disarm and take them to the ground. With knives involved it's very unlikely that you're both coming out of there without some cuts just got to make sure yours are the least damaging really. If I didn't feel I could restrain them then I would go for making them unconscious.

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if its a human attacker then subdue him/her, if its a knife wielding Donkey Ninja then its time to get medieval.



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From a logical standpoint i know i should simply aim to disarm/subdue him.

However i'm also a vengeful person who can hold a grudge. In the heat of the moment i'd likely go beyond just disarming the assailant. (note that i wouldn't be trying to kill him, just inflict some pain, maybe a broken bone or two, perhaps knock him out) Afterwards i'd curse myself for an idiot but at the time i doubt i'd be thinking that clearly.

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Here in the US it is looked at in different angles, the attacker has a weapon that can cause death, your goal is not to kill, nor injure, only eliminate the threat, if you manage to kill the assailant in the course of subduing the threat, then so be it, in the court of law it would be seen as self defense, at worst you would face a charges of involuntary manslaughter, which is not murder, but you more than likely will either walk away with nothing, or you will walk away very little legal action against you. Where the line is drawn is if you do disarm them, then you must only use the amount of force that is nessacary to protect one's self. This where police offers tend to get into issues, they are trained to use an equal amount of force against an aggressor, but given the scenario you provided an officer or a civillian are both authorised to apply deadly force.

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See that's how i figure it Rems. You rarely think clearly when you're in the middle of a real fight. Shit happens.

That's why I value this kind of training. If you're practiced to the point of it becoming muscle memory, you can minimize damage. Anger can still lead to unwarranted aggression, but considering that the guy is trying to kill you, then like Dagmire I wouldn't mourn more permanent damage.


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