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I think that is over simplifying a bit Morgal. There are fish now that can crawl and breathe in both water and on land to survive in areas with extreme differences in water level. Its not too much of a jump.
It is, i'm just missing how, in the example, the legs where before they where to the point they where usable. was there some fish with little legs that could not walk or did fully fuctional legs just apear one generation. As before that point a fish with silly unusable legs would be at a disadvatage.

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Scientific theory is still theory. The difference being that it is subject to testing and measurable outcomes. Everything we understand about science has been tested and measured and has led to us being on the moon, and curing diseases. Sure, it's imperfect, nobody has all the answers, so some things aren't nailed down yet: cancer, FTL travel, the lottery.

Some things are pretty well nailed down though: the internal combustion engine, IP communication, Botox, and American Idol.

Evolution is somewhere in-between: yeah, they have a pretty solid idea, that is backed up by a lot of scientifically proven data. It's not certain or concrete, but it's a lot more feasible than the world being created in 6 days (and a day off) some 8 thousand years ago.

I can't help but think that every time something is proven, a little bit of the magic of the world dies.
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I reccomend that everyone watch Ben Stein's Expelled:No intelligence allowed.

Beyond that, I happen to believe that there is a God. Did he create each and every one of us? No. I'm pretty sure that evolution, defined as trends within species where the species specializes to a role in nature, exists.

However, the Theory of Evolution cannot explain how life made the jump from inanimate matter to animate matter.

No one has come up with a satisfactory answer for this, and I love to apply Occam's Razor with gusto. I think God is as good an explaination as any for how matter made that jump.

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"However, the Theory of Evolution cannot explain how life made the jump from inanimate matter to animate matter."

Protein in the primoridal soup hit with electricity from a thunder strike. It has been replicated in a lab and it works.

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Protein in the primoridal soup hit with electricity from a thunder strike. It has been replicated in a lab and it works.

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Bwuh? No. Those conditions WERE replicated in a lab, but got nothing.

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Maybe I am wrong, I wouldn't claim to be an expert. I am just going by what I have heard. Regardless, there is a multitude of feasible models kicking about. Difficult to prove for sure but feasible nonetheless.

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I believe that as long as both sides are taught in public schools no one showed take offense to it. Also the teacher should not voice their opinion due to the fact that this may make some students uncomfortable.
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I believe that as long as both sides are taught in public schools no one showed take offense to it. Also the teacher should not voice their opinion due to the fact that this may make some students uncomfortable.
yeah, but that is religious preference. there are not 2 sides, and there never were 2 sides. Where are the devas and asuras pulling on Kurma and churning the sea of milk after the great flood? huh?

The United States was founded for the very reason of having the right to practice your own religion (or lack thereof) as you see fit, to avoid religious persecution. What about the Jewish, hindus, muslims, shinto, agnostic, aethiest, and confuscists and the huge amounts of varieties inbetween.

Giving Christian ideology preference above any single one of these is unfair and goes completely against the purpose of our nation. If you ask me, that is exactly the same as teaching white supremacy or any other racist belief. If any one of these creationist ideologies is taught, they should all be taught, but not in the science classroom, which is for measurable and predictable observations. I received my dose of creationist education is Sunday school just like every other catholic where I grew up.

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I can't help but think that every time something is proven, a little bit of the magic of the world dies.

Nicely put.

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Y'know, I was thinking the same thing, Chimp...it seems to me that, as we develop the capacity to explore nature further, there's really no place left for magic. Almost despite myself, that makes me sad....



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