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post #21 of 59 (permalink) Old 12-04-11, 11:22 AM
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A neo nazi is just this essentially a group of super radical emptyheads.

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This is unbelievable, I really do hope that GW uses it's usual legalhammer tactics on this poorly researched biggoted tosh, I would strongly advise those individuals who have been slandered to seek legal advice as this is stepping into very dodgy territory.

As for the paper, I woudl have not considered it before, but now it goes from not existing to me to the realms of wouldn't wipe my arse with it.

It will most likely not affect sales, but will affect people - which is the sad bit, like the issues where D&D was "linked" to devil worship.

I am sure that this is not the case, but even IF one of the people interviewed was any of the things she suggested then it was an isolated case, even 5/15 is shitty statistics especially at a single event. I am sure you could go to certain shopping malls and interview a few people then twist the evidence in the same way to "show" that shopping malls make people fat and forces them to watch x-factor - there is simply no cause and effect here.

Basically poor journalism, poor article and a big oversight by the editor who should at least fire this stupid bitch (and I am sure about the stupid bit) if not publish a more researched article by someone who is actually a capable journalist.
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The problem I see is when little Tim is painting his minis getting ready to play a game with some friends later that week and his Mom comes crashing in holding the newspaper shouting at him for being a Black Templars player. He tries to explain they are knights who fight for mankind whilst his mom is convinced he has been indoctrinated into some fascist party at the local GW store and thus throws all his minis in the trash and bans him from seeing any of his friends who play the game. "No son of mine will join the national socialist party when he grows up!".

I dont see this as a big problem for us older gamers but for people wanting to get into the hobby, the next generation of gamers so to speak might have a bit harder time trying to convince their parents to allow them to play a game the local newspaper claims is a front for some obscure nazi organisation.
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(No idea what a neo nazi is but I assume it's worse than a regular nazi as it's used more often or something).
They are like the one calorie of the nazis. Not quite nazi enough. And given what history has documented about Hilter, in all likelyhood he would spurn and denounce them all for falling embarrassingly short of his standards. They also want to rewrite history and claim that the haulocast never happened, whereas we all know Hitler, in his sociapathic arrogance, would proclaim he wasn't finished. Very glad Eisenhower had the wisdom to order the documentation of what was uncovered as thoroughly as possible (He made a statement to the effect that there would be people who would try to deny it ever happened). The only thing that nazis and neo-nazis have in common is their thuggery and mob mentality. It comes back to blaming other folks for their hardships and refusing to take responsiblity for and accepting the consequences of their own actions and thereby building unity. Germany was going through a difficult time after loosing WWI and the punishments/consequences slapped on them for the war. Hilter used that to whip up the nazi party using mostly criminals.

If you think about it, alot of those aspects are churning again right now. Blame others for everything. No one wants to take responsibility for their part in whats happened. oh well I'll stop there because I don't want to start a econo-politico-social flamewar

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Lets keep this about the article guys, only Nazi related text allowed should be in the articles context
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I bet she wouldn't have bothered writing that shit if she knew about the kind of banhammer the lawsuits of GW swing about. I'll be waiting eagerly for what they'll do with her, for once.

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Side note,

Think its interesting they've taken the Cross from the BT's and gone; Cross -> Iron Cross -> NAZIS!

When infact, its a MALTESE CROSS, a CHRISTIAN symbol, of the Knights of the Tuetonic order, The Knights Templar, and the Hospitaliers (AKA St. Johns Ambulance), You know, kinda the opposite?

If were making giant leaps like this, why not, Journalism, Journalism is an 'Art', You know who else was a Artist?

Not going down the inevitable Nazi/Hitler route, just making a point that trying hard enough you can get from any starting point, to any destination.

EDIT: The term I was looking for was "Six Degree's of Seperation"

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Symbols become perverted if used by certain groups, she didn't even do any background research I would bet - she took the whole scene from a prejudice start point then did what it took (asked the right(?) questions etc) to get the story she wanted - aka biggoted poor journalism.

Easy to repeat what she did at any scene:

Come with pre-conception
Ask leading questions and target people to get the response wanted
misquote and misconstrue
mix with some very poor and filtered other info
create sensationalist heap of steaming turd

If I could be bothered to respond I would write my own article defaming greek journalists, but that would be lowering myself to her level.

All in all - she sucks and I hope she realises the damage she will have done to some poor kids social life - maybe they could ironically turn to right wing politics instead of playing a social and inclusive game which has a background in the dangers that the human race could face if they allowed themselves to turn to unified religious hatred?
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I actually heard something similar once from a friends parents who connected warhammer and related iconography to devil worship (He liked the idea of chaos).

Some people will find anything, anywhere they look. No point getting too worked up to be honest.
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She'd be shocked if she ever went to Japan and see people walking around with Swastikas on their arms and the symbol on many maps of the area. The Swastika is a symbol for budism if I'm not mistaken and has been used for a few hundred if not thousands of years before the nazis fucked it up. I was quite shocked when I first saw it but imagine my surprised with a simple google search, you can learn so much simply by doing a little bit of research...
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