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Precisely that--it's war, and one of the most unflinching, harrowing, brutal portrayals of it in fiction. It's all the ugliest and most cancerous behaviors of humankind given free reign, the abandoning of nobility and virtue in order to dig the knife in and twist it.

Then throw in all the incest, rape, betrayal, mutilation, and abuse that takes place in those places that aren't turned into charnel-house battlefields; all the loss of innocence and lecherous lusting; all the petty backstabbings and small-minded pillaging...

GRRM's characters suffer, but they're on no noble path. The pain they go through warps and embitters them, until what they contribute to the plot is the infliction of further suffering on those few innocents remaining.

There is no redemption in this series. There are no happy endings. There is no overarching heroic journey, message, or commentary on the human condition--unless it is that last, and stating that humans are wretched, foul, ill-fated things. Every virtuous character is betrayed, killed, or succumbs to hatred and bitterness. The only successes are those motivated by the need for revenge, and those triumphs are shallow and taste of ashes.

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I've nearly finished A Game of Thrones and I must say this is a really good series. Some characters I can't get enough of like Daenarys Targaryen and Tyrion Lannister, my two favorites in the whole series, but there are some characters that I couldn't really give a damn about like Catelyn Tully and Arya Stark. Not the author's fault, I just don't really like them.

Once I finish the first novel i'll move onto the second, A Clash of Kings. Looking forward to it.



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My previous post sort of illustrates why I've got high hopes for A Dance With Dragons (to be released July 12th, 2011!), actually. Daenerys seems to be the sole exception to what I've been talking about. She arises from the ashes of destruction (and not only metaphorically) not embittered, but determined. She has lost the last scraps of what made her naive, leaving only a force to be reckoned with. It appears that she is the sole remaining redeeming faction in the series...

So I'm looking forward to getting that next book more than I was in picking up the few books before it, really.

Of course, GRRM will probably piss on these last few embers of my hope, but...ah, hell. Whatever.

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Both Lannister brothers are awesome characters, as is Hound, and Davos. But we definitely have different tastes. I find goody hero characters like Jon Snow boring(although he also made some tough choices).

Can't wait for the Dance.

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According to his facebook site:

"My friends at Harper Collins Voyager have confirmed that the British edition of A DANCE WITH DRAGONS will also be released on July 12 of this year, simultaneously with the American edition."

(Please ignore what it says on Amazon.UK. I am sure they will get it right eventually)

Yeah, I've been reading the series since it first came out. But it takes so long for the books to release I'm going to have to re-read all the books, and get a refresher course in what's going on. I read the Feast and with all the references to the prior books, I admit I was lost for a bit. Yeah, I love the series but I still kinda got mad that the Starks are scattered far and wide with none of them (kids) knowing their siblings are alive. It is really a great series, almost comparable to the LoTR books, with less fantasy and more realism..for the most part at least.

Wonder what this does

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Oh, I love the Game of Thrones. Definitely up there with LotR. I read all of the books last year and I wish there was a memory wiper available so that I could wipe my mind of GoT and read it all over again.



I'll have to watch the show before I make any judgments about if the actors fit, but the one they picked for Tyrion was in fact the person I thought would make a great Tyrion. I guess they thought so too.

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My previous post sort of illustrates why I've got high hopes for A Dance With Dragons (to be released July 12th, 2011!), actually. Daenerys seems to be the sole exception to what I've been talking about. She arises from the ashes of destruction (and not only metaphorically) not embittered, but determined. She has lost the last scraps of what made her naive, leaving only a force to be reckoned with. It appears that she is the sole remaining redeeming faction in the series...

So I'm looking forward to getting that next book more than I was in picking up the few books before it, really.

Of course, GRRM will probably piss on these last few embers of my hope, but...ah, hell. Whatever.
I was actually going to make that point but felt too tired to type it out. But I agree with you on that, out of all the characters in the entire series Daenerys is the only one who is fit to rule anybody, or a kingdom. She is strong but she realizes she must learn how to be a queen and unlike Cersei Lannister she cares about her people and wants the best for them.

So i'm quite looking forward to A Dance with Dragons, mainly for more of Dany and her Dragons. Very much looking forward to see what will happen to Drogon after, what he does in the book.


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The author says that no character is safe in the story, all of them are capable of dying. However I feel there is one exception to that rule, Daenerys Targaryen. Without her the entire Eastern Kingdoms storyline falls apart and the return of the Dragons with it, her storyline is enough that many other characters will die before she is considered, at least in my view.


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You will definately see some charactes dying rather unexpectedly, as would happen in real life. But i can bet too, someone of those surviving atleast until last book.

Some new interesting persons are introduced later after first book and things are getting heated up. Tyrion is maybe my favourite character on this series definately.

Theres also few persons that i absolutely hate, even quite many 40K "badboys" seem likeable compared to them.
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I started Game of Thrones yesterday after I read all your positive responses to this series. It's been on my to read list, for years but the upcoming series inspired me to get it started. I hope it lives up to the hopes you've given me.
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I started Game of Thrones yesterday after I read all your positive responses to this series. It's been on my to read list, for years but the upcoming series inspired me to get it started. I hope it lives up to the hopes you've given me.
Its a very good book, but it took me far longer to read it then a BL book of similar length. It uses a small font text and i'd estimate that each page text length is worth two of a BL book. So while its around 810 pages of story I would say if the text was enlarged it might come to over 1600. So it took me quite a long time to get it done, i'd estimate around 3-4 weeks.

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